Improving the Reaction of Customer Edge Routers to IPv6 Renumbering Events
draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum-08
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2024-01-26
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08 | Gunter Van de Velde | Request closed, assignment withdrawn: Tina Tsou Last Call OPSDIR review |
2024-01-26
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08 | Gunter Van de Velde | Closed request for Last Call review by OPSDIR with state 'Overtaken by Events': Cleaning up stale OPSDIR queue |
2021-08-28
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08 | (System) | RFC Editor state changed to AUTH48-DONE from AUTH48 |
2021-07-15
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2021-06-24
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2021-06-09
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2021-06-09
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08 | (System) | IESG state changed to RFC Ed Queue from Approved-announcement sent |
2021-06-09
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08 | (System) | Announcement was received by RFC Editor |
2021-06-09
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08 | (System) | IANA Action state changed to No IANA Actions from In Progress |
2021-06-09
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08 | (System) | IANA Action state changed to In Progress |
2021-06-09
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08 | (System) | Removed all action holders (IESG state changed) |
2021-06-09
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08 | Cindy Morgan | IESG state changed to Approved-announcement sent from Approved-announcement to be sent::AD Followup |
2021-06-09
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08 | Cindy Morgan | IESG has approved the document |
2021-06-09
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08 | Cindy Morgan | Closed "Approve" ballot |
2021-06-09
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08 | Cindy Morgan | Ballot approval text was generated |
2021-05-27
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08 | (System) | Sub state has been changed to AD Followup from Revised ID Needed |
2021-05-27
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08 | Fernando Gont | New version available: draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum-08.txt |
2021-05-27
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08 | (System) | New version approved |
2021-05-27
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08 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Bernie Volz , Fernando Gont , Jan Zorz , Richard Patterson |
2021-05-27
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08 | Fernando Gont | Uploaded new revision |
2021-02-25
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07 | (System) | Changed action holders to Bernie Volz, Fernando Gont, Jan Zorz, Richard Patterson (IESG state changed) |
2021-02-25
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07 | Cindy Morgan | IESG state changed to Approved-announcement to be sent::Revised I-D Needed from IESG Evaluation |
2021-02-24
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07 | Erik Kline | [Ballot comment] [[ comments ]] [ section 3.4 ] * At the end of the 2nd paragraph and the 2nd NOTES paragraph, I think it … [Ballot comment] [[ comments ]] [ section 3.4 ] * At the end of the 2nd paragraph and the 2nd NOTES paragraph, I think it could be made clearer that this recommendation especially applies to ND Options that contain address or prefix information from within a prefix learned on the WAN side. These timers seem fine in general as well, but I think as written it's a blanket recommendation without explicitly saying why these options need updating, i.e. if someone asks what does "if and where applicable" actually mean -- it means ND options with address/prefix information taken from a delegated prefix whose lifetime has been reduced (possibly to zero, possibly progressively shorter values trending to zero). |
2021-02-24
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07 | Erik Kline | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Erik Kline has been changed to Yes from Discuss |
2021-02-24
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07 | Amanda Baber | IANA Review state changed to IANA OK - No Actions Needed from Version Changed - Review Needed |
2021-02-23
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07 | Alissa Cooper | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Alissa Cooper has been changed to No Objection from Discuss |
2021-02-22
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07 | Benjamin Kaduk | [Ballot comment] Section 3 o WPD-10: CE Routers MUST by default use a stable IAID value that does not change between … [Ballot comment] Section 3 o WPD-10: CE Routers MUST by default use a stable IAID value that does not change between CE Router restarts, DHCPv6 client restarts, or interface state changes. e.g., Transient PPP interfaces. See Section 3.2 for further details. The text in Section 3.2 goes into a bit more detail to clarify that this is basically a pre-existing requirement from RFC 8415, but the short text here is easy to misread as imposing a requirement to use a stable persistent identifier, which would have lousy privacy properties. RFC 8415 does acknowledge this issue to some extent, but the most applicable text about it seems to be in Section 4.5 of RFC 7844, that clarifies that the IAID needs to be consistent for the association *as long as the link-layer address remains constant*, which is a very natural scope and consistent with best practices for simultaneously changing identifiers at different layers when needed for privacy improvement. It would be great if we could spend a few words here to clarify that this is not a permanent identifier that could be abused for tracking, perhaps "(Per [RFC8415] it is still expected to change when the link-layer address changes.)", though I was hoping to have something shorter. Additionally, while RFC 8415 is clear that the IAID is assigned by the client, this text might benefit from noting (e.g.) which interface it is used on, since the CE router will often be on both ends of different DHCPv6 exchanges. |
2021-02-22
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07 | Benjamin Kaduk | Ballot comment text updated for Benjamin Kaduk |
2021-02-22
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07 | Robert Wilton | [Ballot comment] Thank you all (authors, WG, ADs) for resolving my previous discuss issue. |
2021-02-22
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07 | Robert Wilton | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Robert Wilton has been changed to No Objection from Discuss |
2021-02-18
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07 | (System) | Changed action holders to Warren Kumari (IESG state changed) |
2021-02-18
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07 | Cindy Morgan | IESG state changed to IESG Evaluation from Waiting for AD Go-Ahead |
2021-02-18
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07 | Cindy Morgan | Telechat date has been changed to 2021-02-25 from 2020-10-22 |
2021-02-16
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07 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to Version Changed - Review Needed from IANA OK - No Actions Needed |
2021-02-16
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07 | Fernando Gont | New version available: draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum-07.txt |
2021-02-16
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07 | (System) | New version approved |
2021-02-16
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07 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Bernie Volz , Fernando Gont , Jan Zorz , Richard Patterson |
2021-02-16
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07 | Fernando Gont | Uploaded new revision |
2021-02-09
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06 | Éric Vyncke | [Ballot comment] Thank you for the work put into this easy-to-read document. I support Erik Kline's DISCUSS points. I have cleared my previous blocking DISCUSS … [Ballot comment] Thank you for the work put into this easy-to-read document. I support Erik Kline's DISCUSS points. I have cleared my previous blocking DISCUSS and thank you for addressing all my previous COMMENTS. But please also check: - Suresh Krishnan's IoT directorate review: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum-05-iotdir-telechat-krishnan-2020-10-21/ - Sheng Jiang's Internet directorate review: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum-05-intdir-telechat-jiang-2020-10-19/ I hope that this helps to improve the document, Regards, -éric == DISCUSS (addressed in -06, no more blocking, kept here for archive) == As observed by Sheng in his review and by Rob Wilton, the use of normative-looking "MUST" is unusual in an informational document even with the section 2 about requirement languages as the use of uppercase could confuse the reader; or at least limit their use in the L-* text in section 3. Also, note that RFC 2119 has been updated by RFC 8174. The precedent set by RFC 7084 seems a bad one. I will trust the responsible AD decision on this topic. == COMMENTS (addressed, kept for archives) == The shepherd write-up includes twice "a particular corner case where DHCPv6 is being used to distribute effectively static addresses". Perhaps is it due for not being a native English speaker, but, the use of "corner case" in a shepherd write-up appears to me as weird and unexpected: is it the shepherd's opinion or the WG consensus of being a 'corner case'. I read this as 'very rare case' whereas I sincerely think, and Jordi's review indicates so, that this is not a rare case. -- Abstract -- I wonder why the word "IPv6" is never mentioned in the abstract while the whole document is about IPv6. OTOH, perhaps the default IP version in 2020 is indeed IPv6 ;-) -- Section 3 -- Should the L-13 of RFC 7084 be also updated ? Briefly discussed in section 3.3 I wonder what is the actual structure of this section? There are 4 L-XX requirements followed by 3 subsections and mapping between L-15 with section 3.1 and the same for L-16, L-17 but not for L-18 ? As noted in section 3.1, L-13 is actually Section 6.3 of [RFC8415] that is standard track -- Section 3.2 -- There is a reference to section 2.1 of this document but the authors probably meant section 3.1 of this document or Section 6.3 of [RFC8415]. Should the list of ND options include by default all options ? or at least indicate that this is not an exhaustive list to allow for future ND options ? -- Section 3.3 -- I agree with "IPv6 network renumbering is expected to take place in a planned manner," but this sentence seems to contradict the premisses of draft-ietf-v6ops-slaac-renum. Unsure how to reconciliate the two I-D (sharing some authors ;-) ). " since we acknowledge " suggest to slightly rewrite this sentence to make it less personal. Suggestion to mention whether RA are sent only on received RS, multicasted immediately (the document mention periodically), or unicasted when possible (some CPE keeps the mapping of all its unicast client notably on the Wi-Fi side). |
2021-02-09
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06 | Éric Vyncke | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Éric Vyncke has been changed to No Objection from Discuss |
2021-01-13
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06 | (System) | IESG state changed to Waiting for AD Go-Ahead from In Last Call |
2021-01-08
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06 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to IANA OK - No Actions Needed from Version Changed - Review Needed |
2021-01-08
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06 | Michelle Cotton | (Via drafts-lastcall-comment@iana.org): IESG/Authors/WG Chairs: The IANA Functions Operator has reviewed draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum-06, which is currently in a second Last Call, and has the following … (Via drafts-lastcall-comment@iana.org): IESG/Authors/WG Chairs: The IANA Functions Operator has reviewed draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum-06, which is currently in a second Last Call, and has the following comments: We understand that this document doesn't require any registry actions. While it's often helpful for a document's IANA Considerations section to remain in place upon publication even if there are no actions, if the authors strongly prefer to remove it, we do not object. If this assessment is not accurate, please respond as soon as possible. Thank you, Michelle Cotton Protocol Parameters Engagement Sr. Manager IANA Services |
2020-12-30
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06 | Amy Vezza | The following Last Call announcement was sent out (ends 2021-01-13): From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce CC: Owen DeLong , draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum@ietf.org, owen@delong.com, v6ops-chairs@ietf.org, … The following Last Call announcement was sent out (ends 2021-01-13): From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce CC: Owen DeLong , draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum@ietf.org, owen@delong.com, v6ops-chairs@ietf.org, v6ops@ietf.org, warren@kumari.net Reply-To: last-call@ietf.org Sender: Subject: Last Call: (Improving the Reaction of Customer Edge Routers to Renumbering Events) to Best Current Practice The IESG has received a request from the IPv6 Operations WG (v6ops) to consider the following document: - 'Improving the Reaction of Customer Edge Routers to Renumbering Events' as Best Current Practice The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the last-call@ietf.org mailing lists by 2021-01-13. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. This is the second IETF LC for this document -- it was originally LCed as Informational. IESG Eval suggested that it was more BCP-like, and so the document was returned to the V6OPS WG, and re-WGLCed as BCP. It is now being IETF LCed as BCP, and will then go through IESG Eval again.... and the process-elves rejoice... Abstract In scenarios where network configuration information becomes invalid without any explicit signaling of that condition (such as when a Customer Edge Router crashes and reboots without knowledge of the previously-employed configuration information), hosts on the local network will continue using stale network configuration information for an unacceptably long period of time, thus resulting in connectivity problems. This document specifies improvements to Customer Edge Routers that help mitigate the aforementioned problem for typical residential and small office scenarios. This document updates RFC7084. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. The document contains these normative downward references. See RFC 3967 for additional information: rfc4191: Default Router Preferences and More-Specific Routes (Proposed Standard - IETF stream) rfc4861: Neighbor Discovery for IP version 6 (IPv6) (Draft Standard - IETF stream) rfc4862: IPv6 Stateless Address Autoconfiguration (Draft Standard - IETF stream) rfc8106: IPv6 Router Advertisement Options for DNS Configuration (Proposed Standard - IETF stream) rfc8415: Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol for IPv6 (DHCPv6) (Proposed Standard - IETF stream) |
2020-12-30
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06 | Amy Vezza | IESG state changed to In Last Call from Last Call Requested |
2020-12-30
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06 | Warren Kumari | Last call was requested |
2020-12-30
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06 | Warren Kumari | This is the second IETF LC for this document -- it was originally LCed as Informational. IESG Eval suggested that it was more BCP-like, and … This is the second IETF LC for this document -- it was originally LCed as Informational. IESG Eval suggested that it was more BCP-like, and so the document was returned to the V6OPS WG, and re-WGLCed as BCP. It is now being IETF LCed as BCP, and will then go through IESG Eval again. I'm always cautious when trying to make the datatracker do the right thing when deviating from the normal process.... I'm assuming that the secretariat will helpfully point out the 27 intermediate steps that I shold have taken :-P |
2020-12-30
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06 | Warren Kumari | IESG state changed to Last Call Requested from AD is watching::AD Followup |
2020-12-30
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06 | Warren Kumari | Last call announcement was changed |
2020-12-30
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06 | Warren Kumari | Last call announcement was generated |
2020-12-30
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06 | Warren Kumari | Document originally LCed and Evaluated as Informational. IESG Eval exposed that BCP was more appropriate - document returned to WG, re-WGLCed as BCP, and now … Document originally LCed and Evaluated as Informational. IESG Eval exposed that BCP was more appropriate - document returned to WG, re-WGLCed as BCP, and now returned to AD. See: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/v6ops/23R_SlJP9l5pdkgFTglDZh1sh7Y/ https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/v6ops/_seai5Rf5bU6AnPwc3bHqbAI_7M/ https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/v6ops/xb4aVGUkkv8ZBxtbeewXjyNq7TQ/ |
2020-12-30
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06 | Warren Kumari | Intended Status changed to Best Current Practice from Informational |
2020-12-11
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06 | (System) | Sub state has been changed to AD Followup from Revised ID Needed |
2020-12-11
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06 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to Version Changed - Review Needed from IANA OK - No Actions Needed |
2020-12-11
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06 | Fernando Gont | New version available: draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum-06.txt |
2020-12-11
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06 | (System) | New version approved |
2020-12-11
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06 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Bernie Volz , Fernando Gont , Richard Patterson , v6ops-chairs@ietf.org, Jan Zorz |
2020-12-11
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06 | Fernando Gont | Uploaded new revision |
2020-12-11
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05 | Warren Kumari | See thread: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/v6ops/23R_SlJP9l5pdkgFTglDZh1sh7Y/ Document is being returned to the WG so that the status can be changed to BCP. IESG Evals, and discussions showed that … See thread: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/v6ops/23R_SlJP9l5pdkgFTglDZh1sh7Y/ Document is being returned to the WG so that the status can be changed to BCP. IESG Evals, and discussions showed that it was much more BCP-like than Info I hope to see the document again soon (ie: this isn't "Bad document, go away'", it is "Good document, come back with higher status....") |
2020-12-11
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05 | Warren Kumari | IESG state changed to AD is watching::Revised I-D Needed from IESG Evaluation::Revised I-D Needed |
2020-10-22
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05 | Cindy Morgan | IESG state changed to IESG Evaluation::Revised I-D Needed from IESG Evaluation |
2020-10-22
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05 | Magnus Westerlund | [Ballot comment] Support changing intended status for this document. |
2020-10-22
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05 | Magnus Westerlund | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Magnus Westerlund |
2020-10-22
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05 | Alissa Cooper | [Ballot discuss] Let's resolve the document status issue -- it was last-called as Proposed Standard, it's listed as Informational, but it seems like it should … [Ballot discuss] Let's resolve the document status issue -- it was last-called as Proposed Standard, it's listed as Informational, but it seems like it should be a BCP. I support Rob's DISCUSS and I believe the RFC 8174 boilerplate should be used. |
2020-10-22
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05 | Alissa Cooper | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Alissa Cooper |
2020-10-22
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05 | Éric Vyncke | [Ballot discuss] Thank you for the work put into this easy-to-read document. I support Erik Kline's DISCUSS points. Please find below a couple of non-blocking … [Ballot discuss] Thank you for the work put into this easy-to-read document. I support Erik Kline's DISCUSS points. Please find below a couple of non-blocking COMMENT points and one nit but please also check: - Suresh Krishnan's IoT directorate review: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum-05-iotdir-telechat-krishnan-2020-10-21/ - Sheng Jiang's Internet directorate review: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum-05-intdir-telechat-jiang-2020-10-19/ I hope that this helps to improve the document, Regards, -éric == DISCUSS == As observed by Sheng in his review and by Rob Wilton, the use of normative-looking "MUST" is unusual in an informational document even with the section 2 about requirement languages as the use of uppercase could confuse the reader; or at least limit their use in the L-* text in section 3. Also, note that RFC 2119 has been updated by RFC 8174. The precedent set by RFC 7084 seems a bad one. I will trust the responsible AD decision on this topic. |
2020-10-22
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05 | Éric Vyncke | [Ballot comment] The shepherd write-up includes twice "a particular corner case where DHCPv6 is being used to distribute effectively static addresses". Perhaps is it due … [Ballot comment] The shepherd write-up includes twice "a particular corner case where DHCPv6 is being used to distribute effectively static addresses". Perhaps is it due for not being a native English speaker, but, the use of "corner case" in a shepherd write-up appears to me as weird and unexpected: is it the shepherd's opinion or the WG consensus of being a 'corner case'. I read this as 'very rare case' whereas I sincerely think, and Jordi's review indicates so, that this is not a rare case. -- Abstract -- I wonder why the word "IPv6" is never mentioned in the abstract while the whole document is about IPv6. OTOH, perhaps the default IP version in 2020 is indeed IPv6 ;-) -- Section 3 -- Should the L-13 of RFC 7084 be also updated ? Briefly discussed in section 3.3 I wonder what is the actual structure of this section? There are 4 L-XX requirements followed by 3 subsections and mapping between L-15 with section 3.1 and the same for L-16, L-17 but not for L-18 ? As noted in section 3.1, L-13 is actually Section 6.3 of [RFC8415] that is standard track -- Section 3.2 -- There is a reference to section 2.1 of this document but the authors probably meant section 3.1 of this document or Section 6.3 of [RFC8415]. Should the list of ND options include by default all options ? or at least indicate that this is not an exhaustive list to allow for future ND options ? -- Section 3.3 -- I agree with "IPv6 network renumbering is expected to take place in a planned manner," but this sentence seems to contradict the premisses of draft-ietf-v6ops-slaac-renum. Unsure how to reconciliate the two I-D (sharing some authors ;-) ). " since we acknowledge " suggest to slightly rewrite this sentence to make it less personal. Suggestion to mention whether RA are sent only on received RS, multicasted immediately (the document mention periodically), or unicasted when possible (some CPE keeps the mapping of all its unicast client notably on the Wi-Fi side). |
2020-10-22
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05 | Éric Vyncke | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Éric Vyncke |
2020-10-21
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05 | Murray Kucherawy | [Ballot comment] I support Rob's DISCUSS, for the reasons Barry gave. In addition, I believe IETF consensus is to use BCP 14 in its entirety, … [Ballot comment] I support Rob's DISCUSS, for the reasons Barry gave. In addition, I believe IETF consensus is to use BCP 14 in its entirety, not just the first half of it. Also, this sentence gave me pause: "This document uses these keywords not strictly for the purpose of interoperability, but rather for the purpose of establishing industry-common baseline functionality." Maybe this should be an applicability statement, and thus Standards Track? |
2020-10-21
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05 | Murray Kucherawy | Ballot comment text updated for Murray Kucherawy |
2020-10-21
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05 | Murray Kucherawy | [Ballot comment] I support Rob's DISCUSS, for the reasons Barry gave. In addition, I believe IETF consensus is to use BCP 14 in its entirety, … [Ballot comment] I support Rob's DISCUSS, for the reasons Barry gave. In addition, I believe IETF consensus is to use BCP 14 in its entirety, not just the first half of it. |
2020-10-21
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05 | Murray Kucherawy | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Murray Kucherawy |
2020-10-21
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05 | Erik Kline | [Ballot discuss] [ section 3.2 ] * I absolutely agree in principle at these other lifetimes should be updated to the shorter of the … [Ballot discuss] [ section 3.2 ] * I absolutely agree in principle at these other lifetimes should be updated to the shorter of the two applicable lifetimes, but I'm worried that this text is not sufficiently precise. Specifically, this recommendation only applies to options that depend in any way on the change in the delegated prefix, yes? Perhaps just this qualifier is sufficient? For example, none of these comparative lifetime recommendations apply to a stable ULA for a router that meets requirements ULA-[1..5] and chooses to advertise a ULA /48 RIO and maybe even a ULA DNS server, I think. That being said, should this document also be saying that the ULA-derived options SHOULD prefer the ND_{P,V}_LIMIT lifetime values, in case a reboot causes a new ULA to be generated (i.e. the one supposedly in stable storage is lost or otherwise unrecoverable)? |
2020-10-21
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05 | Erik Kline | [Ballot comment] [[ comments ]] [ section 3.1 ] * With respect to the second bullet: the lifetimes need to be dynamically *updateable*, not … [Ballot comment] [[ comments ]] [ section 3.1 ] * With respect to the second bullet: the lifetimes need to be dynamically *updateable*, not necessarily updated if, for example, the ND_{P,V}_LIMIT values are always lower than the remaining PD lifetimes. In this situation, the requirement is still that the lifetimes can be updated, but to the casual observer of the steady state the RA contents might appear static (e.g., while the PD'd prefix is continuously renewed). Maybe there's no text required here, but I didn't want a reader to be left with the impression that no two RAs could be identical [[ nits ]] [ section 3.3 ] * In the 2nd bullet's 2nd bullet (this might be easier if these lists were numbered), it might be good to clarify that "the *deprecated* prefix can simply be advertised..." |
2020-10-21
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05 | Erik Kline | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Erik Kline |
2020-10-21
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05 | Barry Leiba | [Ballot comment] I support Rob's DISCUSS and agree that it would be better just to use the terms in lower case, rather than making them … [Ballot comment] I support Rob's DISCUSS and agree that it would be better just to use the terms in lower case, rather than making them appear as special key words but disclaim the definition. I'll note that RFC 7084 predates RFC 8174, and that the latter clarifies that using the terms in lower case has exactly the meaning that the disclaimer in Section 2 is trying (unsuccessfully) to make. I also agree with Ben's comment that keeping the grammatical error "preferable" is unnecessary. But if we end up getting rid of the whole thing, that becomes moot anyway. |
2020-10-21
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05 | Barry Leiba | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Barry Leiba |
2020-10-21
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05 | Suresh Krishnan | Request for Telechat review by IOTDIR Completed: Ready with Issues. Reviewer: Suresh Krishnan. Sent review to list. |
2020-10-20
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05 | Benjamin Kaduk | [Ballot comment] I am not sure that we should avoid having the conversation about intended status; consider, for example, "CE Routers SHOULD override the default … [Ballot comment] I am not sure that we should avoid having the conversation about intended status; consider, for example, "CE Routers SHOULD override the default [...] values from [RFC4861]" (RFC 4861 is a Draft Standard). (The question was raised in the genart review thread by virtue of skew between the datatracker state and the document header, but it looks like the WG chair changed the status in the datatracker and there was no further discussion of the topic on the list.) The diff between Abstract and Introduction is interesting: there is a parenthetical "(such as when a Customer Edge Router crashes and reboots without knowledge of the previously-employed configuration information)" only in the abstract that might also be useful in the introduction, and the abstract uses 'hosts' where the introduction uses 'nodes'. (There are a couple other incidental wording differences that the authors might wish to consider normalizing on one wording for, as well as the expected additional text in the introduction that is not appropriate for an abstract.) Section 2 purpose of establishing industry-common baseline functionality. As such, the document points to several other specifications (preferable in RFC or stable form) to provide additional guidance to implementers I'm not sure that there's value in saying "preferable" [sic] in the final RFC; it's not like there would be a further chance to change the reference to have such a property anymore. Section 3.1 This means that the advertised "Preferred Lifetime" and "Valid Lifetime" MUST be dynamically adjusted such that they never span past the remaining preferred and valid lifetimes of the corresponding prefixes delegated via DHCPv6-PD on the WAN-side. (nitty/editorial) Perhaps it is obvious to most readers, but perhaps it is not universally clear that the "advertised" part refers to "advertised by the CPE in SLAAC PIOs"; if I wanted to reword to remove ambiguity, I might go with something like 'This means that the "Preferred Lifetime" and "Valid Lifetime" advertised in PIOs by the CE router MUST be dynamically adjusted [...]'. The next paragraph (for the DHCPv6 case) uses a similar wording, but the first paragraph of that sentence is a bit more clear about "employed with DHCPv6 on the LAN-side" that also serves to reduce the potential ambiguity. I'm happy to see or propose a similar rewording for the DHCPv6 case if that would be useful, but don't mind if we leave both paragraphs unchnaged, either. CE Routers providing stateful address configuration via DHCPv6 SHOULD set the DHCPv6 IA Address Option preferred-lifetime to the lesser of the remaining preferred lifetime and ND_PREFERRED_LIMIT, and the valid-lifetime of the same option to the lesser of the remaining valid lifetime and ND_VALID_LIMIT. Is it worth mentioning that ND_PREFERRED_LIMIT and ND_VALID_LIMIT are defined in Section 4? Section 3.2 * CE Routers need not employ the (possibly long) DHCPv6-PD lifetimes for the Valid Lifetime and Preferred Lifetime of PIOs (nit) do we want "received" in there anywhere (e.g., "received DHCPv6-PD lifetimes")? * Similarly, CE Routers need not employ the (possibly long) DHCPv6-PD lifetimes for the valid-lifetime and preferred- (Likewise, we could use "received" or "WAN-side" here.) Section 3.3 In order to phase-out stale SLAAC configuration information: [...] If a CE Router provides LAN-side DHCPv6 (address assignment or prefix delegation), then: [...] (editorial) Can/should these sentences use a parallel structure (e.g., "If a CE Router provides SLAAC configuration information, then [...]")? * In Replies to DHCPv6 Request, Renew, Rebind messages, send 0 lifetimes for any address assignments or prefix delegations for the deprecated prefixes for at least the valid-lifetime previously employed for them, or for a period of ND_VALID_LIMIT if the recommended lifetimes from Section 3.2 are employed. Is it deliberate to say nothing at all about Advertise messages (which are sent in response to Solicit messages, not any of the listed ones)? * The requirement in this section is conveyed as a "SHOULD" (as opposed to a "MUST"), since we acknowledge that the requirement to store information on stable storage may represent a challenge for some implementations. (editorial/style) It's not entirely clear that we gain much from the use of the first person, here. E.g., we could say 'conveyed as a "SHOULD" (as opposed to a "MUST"), since the requirement to store information on stable storage may represent a challenge for some implementations'. Section 6 I suggest noting that the security considerations from RFC 7084 continue to apply. (Also, basically the same comment I had for draft-ietf-v6ops-slaac-renum applies, which still does not imply any changes to the text.) Section 8.1 Since we say that we are *not* using the BCP 14 keywords in the sense of RFC 2119, it does not seem that RFC 2119 needs to be a normative reference. Section 8.2 It would feel more natural, at least to me, if RFC 7084 was listed as a normative reference. (In the sense that we are Updating it to make incremental additions, but you need the whole combined assembly of both documents in order to have a functional setup.) |
2020-10-20
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05 | Benjamin Kaduk | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Benjamin Kaduk |
2020-10-20
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05 | Roman Danyliw | [Ballot comment] Thank you for responding to the SECDIR review (and thank you to the SECDIR reviewer, Chris Wood). |
2020-10-20
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05 | Roman Danyliw | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Roman Danyliw |
2020-10-20
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05 | Deborah Brungard | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Deborah Brungard |
2020-10-19
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05 | Sheng Jiang | Request for Telechat review by INTDIR Completed: Ready with Issues. Reviewer: Sheng Jiang. Sent review to list. |
2020-10-19
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05 | Alvaro Retana | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Alvaro Retana |
2020-10-19
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05 | Robert Wilton | [Ballot discuss] Hi, Hopefully this isn't hard to resolve, but I don't understand the meaning of the text in section 2: 2. Requirements … [Ballot discuss] Hi, Hopefully this isn't hard to resolve, but I don't understand the meaning of the text in section 2: 2. Requirements Language Take careful note: Unlike other IETF documents, the key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are not used as described in [RFC2119]. This document uses these keywords not strictly for the purpose of interoperability, but rather for the purpose of establishing industry-common baseline functionality. As such, the document points to several other specifications (preferable in RFC or stable form) to provide additional guidance to implementers regarding any protocol implementation required to produce a successful CE router that interoperates successfully with a particular subset of currently deploying and planned common IPv6 access networks. Note: the aforementioned terms are used in exactly the same way as in [RFC7084], with the above explanation copied verbatim from Section 1.1 of [RFC7084]. This paragraph tells me how these words are not used. But it doesn't seem to explain how they are meant to be interpreted. My only assumption is that these words have no special meaning in this document at all, but they than raises the question as to why not to write them all in lower case. Alternatively, following the standard RFC 2119 rules and boilerplate would also seem to make sense ... |
2020-10-19
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05 | Robert Wilton | [Ballot comment] 3.2. LAN-side Option Lifetimes CE Routers SHOULD override the default PIO "Preferred Lifetime" and "Valid … [Ballot comment] 3.2. LAN-side Option Lifetimes CE Routers SHOULD override the default PIO "Preferred Lifetime" and "Valid Lifetime" values from [RFC4861], and employ shorter lifetime values to improve the robustness to renumbering events, while complying with the requirements from Section 2.1 of this document and the recommendations in [RFC7772]. The reference to Section 2.1 should probably be to section 3? 7. Acknowledgments The authors would like to thank Owen DeLong, Philip Homburg, and Ted Lemon, for their valuable help in improving this document via successive detailed reviews. The authors would like to thank Mikael Abrahamsson, Brian Carpenter, Lorenzo Colitti, Alejandro D'Egidio, Fernando Frediani, Guillermo Gont, Nick Hilliard, Erik Kline, Warren Kumari, Olorunloba Olopade, Pete Resnick, Mark Smith, Job Snijders, Sander Steffann, Ole Troan, Loganaden Velvindron, Timothy Winters, Christopher Wood, and Chongfeng Xie, for providing valuable comments on earlier versions of this document. The authors would lie to thank Mikael Abrahamsson, Luis Balbinot, Tim Chown, Brian Carpenter, Owen DeLong, Gert Doering, Steinar Haug, Nick Hilliard, Philip Homburg, Lee Howard, Christian Huitema, Ted Lemon, Albert Manfredi, Jordi Palet Martinez, Richard Patterson, Michael Richardson, Mark Smith, Job Snijders, Tarko Tikan, and Ole Troan, for providing valuable comments on [I-D.gont-6man-slaac-renum], on which this document is based. Is the third paragraph definitely needed in this document? Perhaps ietf-6man-slaac-renum which is based on gont-6man-slaac-renum could contain this acknowledgement? Or perhaps you could merge the two paragraphs into one, if this is an earlier version of this document. This would also allow you to remove one of the references to similarly named documents in the references. 8.2. Informative References [I-D.gont-6man-slaac-renum] Gont, F., Zorz, J., and R. Patterson, "Improving the Robustness of Stateless Address Autoconfiguration (SLAAC) to Flash Renumbering Events", draft-gont-6man-slaac- renum-08 (work in progress), May 2020. [I-D.ietf-6man-slaac-renum] Gont, F., Zorz, J., and R. Patterson, "Improving the Robustness of Stateless Address Autoconfiguration (SLAAC) to Flash Renumbering Events", draft-ietf-6man-slaac- renum-01 (work in progress), August 2020. [I-D.ietf-v6ops-slaac-renum] Gont, F., Zorz, J., and R. Patterson, "Reaction of Stateless Address Autoconfiguration (SLAAC) to Flash- Renumbering Events", draft-ietf-v6ops-slaac-renum-03 (work in progress), August 2020. I was surprised that this document has informative references to three other very similarly named documents! I would think that at least the first reference is not required since it is superseded by ietf-6man-slaac-renum and thus could be elided? Regards, Rob |
2020-10-19
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05 | Robert Wilton | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Robert Wilton |
2020-10-15
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05 | Amanda Baber | IANA Review state changed to IANA OK - No Actions Needed from Version Changed - Review Needed |
2020-10-15
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05 | Martin Duke | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Martin Duke |
2020-10-14
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05 | Warren Kumari | IESG state changed to IESG Evaluation from Waiting for AD Go-Ahead |
2020-10-13
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05 | Ines Robles | Request for Telechat review by IOTDIR is assigned to Suresh Krishnan |
2020-10-13
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05 | Ines Robles | Request for Telechat review by IOTDIR is assigned to Suresh Krishnan |
2020-10-12
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05 | Bernie Volz | Request for Telechat review by INTDIR is assigned to Sheng Jiang |
2020-10-12
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05 | Bernie Volz | Request for Telechat review by INTDIR is assigned to Sheng Jiang |
2020-10-12
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05 | Éric Vyncke | Requested Telechat review by INTDIR |
2020-10-12
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05 | Éric Vyncke | Requested Telechat review by IOTDIR |
2020-10-12
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05 | Amy Vezza | Placed on agenda for telechat - 2020-10-22 |
2020-10-12
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05 | Warren Kumari | Ballot has been issued |
2020-10-12
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05 | Warren Kumari | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Warren Kumari |
2020-10-12
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05 | Warren Kumari | Created "Approve" ballot |
2020-09-28
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05 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to Version Changed - Review Needed from IANA OK - No Actions Needed |
2020-09-28
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05 | Fernando Gont | New version available: draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum-05.txt |
2020-09-28
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05 | (System) | New version approved |
2020-09-28
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05 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Fernando Gont , Richard Patterson , v6ops-chairs@ietf.org, Bernie Volz , Jan Zorz |
2020-09-28
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05 | Fernando Gont | Uploaded new revision |
2020-09-10
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04 | Fred Baker | Intended Status changed to Informational from Proposed Standard |
2020-09-09
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04 | Christopher Wood | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR Completed: Has Nits. Reviewer: Christopher Wood. Sent review to list. |
2020-09-09
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04 | Pete Resnick | Request for Last Call review by GENART Completed: Ready with Issues. Reviewer: Pete Resnick. Sent review to list. |
2020-09-09
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04 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to IANA OK - No Actions Needed from IANA - Review Needed |
2020-09-09
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04 | Sabrina Tanamal | (Via drafts-lastcall@iana.org): IESG/Authors/WG Chairs: The IANA Functions Operator has reviewed draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum-04, which is currently in Last Call, and has the following comments: We … (Via drafts-lastcall@iana.org): IESG/Authors/WG Chairs: The IANA Functions Operator has reviewed draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum-04, which is currently in Last Call, and has the following comments: We understand that this document doesn't require any registry actions. While it's often helpful for a document's IANA Considerations section to remain in place upon publication even if there are no actions, if the authors strongly prefer to remove it, we do not object. If this assessment is not accurate, please respond as soon as possible. Thank you, Sabrina Tanamal Senior IANA Services Specialist |
2020-09-09
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04 | (System) | IESG state changed to Waiting for AD Go-Ahead from In Last Call |
2020-09-03
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04 | Gunter Van de Velde | Request for Last Call review by OPSDIR is assigned to Tina Tsou |
2020-09-03
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04 | Gunter Van de Velde | Request for Last Call review by OPSDIR is assigned to Tina Tsou |
2020-08-27
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04 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Pete Resnick |
2020-08-27
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04 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Pete Resnick |
2020-08-27
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04 | Tero Kivinen | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Christopher Wood |
2020-08-27
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04 | Tero Kivinen | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Christopher Wood |
2020-08-26
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04 | Amy Vezza | IANA Review state changed to IANA - Review Needed |
2020-08-26
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04 | Amy Vezza | The following Last Call announcement was sent out (ends 2020-09-09): From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce CC: owen@delong.com, warren@kumari.net, Owen DeLong , draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum@ietf.org, … The following Last Call announcement was sent out (ends 2020-09-09): From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce CC: owen@delong.com, warren@kumari.net, Owen DeLong , draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum@ietf.org, v6ops-chairs@ietf.org, v6ops@ietf.org Reply-To: last-call@ietf.org Sender: Subject: Last Call: (Improving the Reaction of Customer Edge Routers to Renumbering Events) to Proposed Standard The IESG has received a request from the IPv6 Operations WG (v6ops) to consider the following document: - 'Improving the Reaction of Customer Edge Routers to Renumbering Events' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the last-call@ietf.org mailing lists by 2020-09-09. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract In scenarios where network configuration information becomes invalid without any explicit signaling of that condition (such as when a Customer Edge Router crashes and reboots without knowledge of the previously-employed configuration information), hosts on the local network will continue using stale network configuration information for an unacceptably long period of time, thus resulting in connectivity problems. This document specifies improvements to Customer Edge Routers that help mitigate the aforementioned problem for typical residential and small office scenarios. This document updates RFC7084. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum/ NOTE: draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum and draft-ietf-v6ops-slaac-renum are closely related and should be reviewed together. No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. |
2020-08-26
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04 | Amy Vezza | IESG state changed to In Last Call from Last Call Requested |
2020-08-26
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04 | Warren Kumari | Last call was requested |
2020-08-26
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04 | Warren Kumari | Ballot approval text was generated |
2020-08-26
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04 | Warren Kumari | IESG state changed to Last Call Requested from Publication Requested |
2020-08-26
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04 | Warren Kumari | Last call announcement was changed |
2020-08-26
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04 | Warren Kumari | Last call announcement was generated |
2020-08-26
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04 | Warren Kumari | Ballot writeup was changed |
2020-08-25
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04 | Fernando Gont | New version available: draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum-04.txt |
2020-08-25
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04 | (System) | New version approved |
2020-08-25
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04 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Fernando Gont , v6ops-chairs@ietf.org, Jan Zorz , Richard Patterson , Bernie Volz |
2020-08-25
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04 | Fernando Gont | Uploaded new revision |
2020-07-23
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03 | Ron Bonica | (1) This draft is aimed at being an Informational RFC is the appropriate type because it provides clarifying information and suggested … (1) This draft is aimed at being an Informational RFC is the appropriate type because it provides clarifying information and suggested behaviors to address issues experienced in existing implementations. (2) IESG Approval Announcement Technical Summary: This document sets forth recommendations intended to improve CPE default behavior on IPv6 networks. Specifically, it aims to clarify certain timer interactions on dynamic prefixes and improve behavior in scenarios where network configuration information becomes invalid without explicit signaling of that condition. Document Quality: The document so far has been approved by the V6OPS working group (successful working group last call). The document does not specify new protocol, but rather changes to the default parameters in existing protocols. Personnel Owen DeLong is the Document Shepherd Fred Baker and Ron Bonica are the WG chairs Warren Kumari is the responsible AD. (3) Shepherd’s review Prior to becoming shepherd, I was significantly involved in reviewing each revision of the document and provided feedback and contributed improvements at each step. I have been active in the debate of this I-D on the working group mailing list. This version of the document is ready for publication. While there remains one dissenter in the working group, the working group has reached consensus. His concerns are a particular corner case where DHCPv6 is being used to distribute effectively static addresses. (4) Shepherd’s concerns I have no concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed. Through the three revisions, the document has received substantial comments from the working group and significantly improved with each revision as a result. Author has been very responsive and incorporated feedback very well. (5) Special Reviews Needed I do not believe any special reviews are necessary for this document. The HOMENET working group may wish to review this document as the proposed change in default behavior could affect their work, but we believe the proposals here would be beneficial in such an environment. (6) Shepherd’s Concerns or issues I have no concerns or issues with the document in its current form. (7) IPR disclosures There are no relevant IPR disclosures in this document. The document does not touch on any technologies other than those in existing RFCs developed within the IETF. (8) IPRs referencing this document No IPR disclosures have been filed referencing this document and for the reasons stated in the previous section, it is very unlikely one would be filed. (9) WG consensus strength This document had good participation and discussion in the working group and received fairly broad support both prior to and during WG last call. (10) Dissent There remains one dissenter, but I would not characterize his discontent as extreme, nor has he threatened appeal. His concern relates to a corner case where DHCP is being used by an ISP to distribute (through DHCPv6-PD) a static prefix address which does not change. He is concerned that the proposed default behavior here could either increase his configuration complexity or result in an unnecessary local outage in the event that he loses connectivity to his service provider. Multiple alternative solutions were suggested to him on the mailing list. Since this document specifies only default behavior and does not preclude vendors from providing knobs to alter that behavior, I believe his objection was more than adequately addressed. (11) ID nits No nits found (once I got past the fact that the NITS interface via URL doesn’t cope well with this draft for reasons beyond me). Feeding it the raw text worked fine. |
2020-07-23
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03 | Ron Bonica | Responsible AD changed to Warren Kumari |
2020-07-23
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03 | Ron Bonica | IETF WG state changed to Submitted to IESG for Publication from In WG Last Call |
2020-07-23
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03 | Ron Bonica | IESG state changed to Publication Requested from I-D Exists |
2020-07-23
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03 | Ron Bonica | IESG process started in state Publication Requested |
2020-07-07
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03 | Warren Kumari | (1) This draft is aimed at being an Informational RFC is the appropriate type because it provides clarifying information and suggested … (1) This draft is aimed at being an Informational RFC is the appropriate type because it provides clarifying information and suggested behaviors to address issues experienced in existing implementations. (2) IESG Approval Announcement Technical Summary: This document sets forth recommendations intended to improve CPE default behavior on IPv6 networks. Specifically, it aims to clarify certain timer interactions on dynamic prefixes and improve behavior in scenarios where network configuration information becomes invalid without explicit signaling of that condition. Document Quality: The document so far has been approved by the V6OPS working group (successful working group last call). The document does not specify new protocol, but rather changes to the default parameters in existing protocols. Personnel Owen DeLong is the Document Shepherd Fred Baker and Ron Bonica are the WG chairs Warren Kumari is the responsible AD. (3) Shepherd’s review Prior to becoming shepherd, I was significantly involved in reviewing each revision of the document and provided feedback and contributed improvements at each step. I have been active in the debate of this I-D on the working group mailing list. This version of the document is ready for publication. While there remains one dissenter in the working group, the working group has reached consensus. His concerns are a particular corner case where DHCPv6 is being used to distribute effectively static addresses. (4) Shepherd’s concerns I have no concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed. Through the three revisions, the document has received substantial comments from the working group and significantly improved with each revision as a result. Author has been very responsive and incorporated feedback very well. (5) Special Reviews Needed I do not believe any special reviews are necessary for this document. The HOMENET working group may wish to review this document as the proposed change in default behavior could affect their work, but we believe the proposals here would be beneficial in such an environment. (6) Shepherd’s Concerns or issues I have no concerns or issues with the document in its current form. (7) IPR disclosures There are no relevant IPR disclosures in this document. The document does not touch on any technologies other than those in existing RFCs developed within the IETF. (8) IPRs referencing this document No IPR disclosures have been filed referencing this document and for the reasons stated in the previous section, it is very unlikely one would be filed. (9) WG consensus strength This document had good participation and discussion in the working group and received fairly broad support both prior to and during WG last call. (10) Dissent There remains one dissenter, but I would not characterize his discontent as extreme, nor has he threatened appeal. His concern relates to a corner case where DHCP is being used by an ISP to distribute (through DHCPv6-PD) a static prefix address which does not change. He is concerned that the proposed default behavior here could either increase his configuration complexity or result in an unnecessary local outage in the event that he loses connectivity to his service provider. Multiple alternative solutions were suggested to him on the mailing list. Since this document specifies only default behavior and does not preclude vendors from providing knobs to alter that behavior, I believe his objection was more than adequately addressed. (11) ID nits No nits found (once I got past the fact that the NITS interface via URL doesn’t cope well with this draft for reasons beyond me). Feeding it the raw text worked fine. |
2020-05-27
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03 | Fernando Gont | New version available: draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum-03.txt |
2020-05-27
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03 | (System) | New version approved |
2020-05-27
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03 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Jan Zorz , Bernie Volz , Richard Patterson , Fernando Gont |
2020-05-27
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03 | Fernando Gont | Uploaded new revision |
2020-05-26
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02 | Fred Baker | Notification list changed to Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>, v6ops-chairs@ietf.org from Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> |
2020-05-26
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02 | Fred Baker | Notification list changed to Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> |
2020-05-26
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02 | Fred Baker | Document shepherd changed to Owen DeLong |
2020-05-26
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02 | Fred Baker | Tag Doc Shepherd Follow-up Underway set. |
2020-05-26
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02 | Fred Baker | IETF WG state changed to In WG Last Call from WG Document |
2020-05-26
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02 | Fred Baker | Changed consensus to Yes from Unknown |
2020-05-26
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02 | Fred Baker | Intended Status changed to Proposed Standard from None |
2020-05-18
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02 | Fernando Gont | New version available: draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum-02.txt |
2020-05-18
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02 | (System) | New version approved |
2020-05-18
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02 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: v6ops-chairs@ietf.org, Fernando Gont , Richard Patterson , Jan Zorz |
2020-05-18
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02 | Fernando Gont | Uploaded new revision |
2020-03-09
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01 | Fernando Gont | New version available: draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum-01.txt |
2020-03-09
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01 | (System) | New version accepted (logged-in submitter: Fernando Gont) |
2020-03-09
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01 | Fernando Gont | Uploaded new revision |
2020-02-19
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00 | (System) | This document now replaces draft-gont-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum instead of None |
2020-02-19
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00 | Fernando Gont | New version available: draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum-00.txt |
2020-02-19
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00 | (System) | New version approved |
2020-02-19
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00 | Fernando Gont | Request for posting confirmation emailed to submitter and authors: Fernando Gont , Jan Zorz , Richard Patterson |
2020-02-19
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00 | Fernando Gont | Uploaded new revision |