Unicast-Based Rapid Acquisition of Multicast RTP Sessions
draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-17
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2012-08-22
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17 | (System) | post-migration administrative database adjustment to the No Objection position for Lars Eggert |
2010-11-24
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17 | (System) | IANA Action state changed to RFC-Ed-Ack from Waiting on RFC Editor |
2010-11-24
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17 | (System) | IANA Action state changed to Waiting on RFC Editor from In Progress |
2010-11-24
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17 | (System) | IANA Action state changed to In Progress from Waiting on Authors |
2010-11-23
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17 | (System) | IANA Action state changed to Waiting on Authors from In Progress |
2010-11-19
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17 | (System) | IANA Action state changed to In Progress |
2010-11-19
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17 | Cindy Morgan | State changed to RFC Ed Queue from Approved-announcement sent. |
2010-11-19
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17 | Amy Vezza | IESG state changed to Approved-announcement sent |
2010-11-19
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17 | Amy Vezza | IESG has approved the document |
2010-11-19
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17 | Amy Vezza | Closed "Approve" ballot |
2010-11-19
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17 | Robert Sparks | Approval announcement text changed |
2010-11-19
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17 | Robert Sparks | Approval announcement text regenerated |
2010-11-18
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17 | Lars Eggert | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Lars Eggert has been changed to No Objection from Discuss |
2010-11-18
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17 | Alexey Melnikov | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Alexey Melnikov has been changed to No Objection from Discuss |
2010-11-18
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17 | (System) | Sub state has been changed to AD Follow up from New Id Needed |
2010-11-18
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17 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-17.txt |
2010-10-29
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17 | Samuel Weiler | Request for Telechat review by SECDIR Completed. Reviewer: Stephen Farrell. |
2010-10-29
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17 | (System) | Removed from agenda for telechat - 2010-10-28 |
2010-10-28
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17 | Cindy Morgan | State changed to IESG Evaluation::Revised ID Needed from IESG Evaluation by Cindy Morgan |
2010-10-28
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17 | (System) | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Tim Polk by IESG Secretary |
2010-10-28
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17 | Sean Turner | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded by Sean Turner |
2010-10-28
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17 | Jari Arkko | [Ballot comment] I share the concerns that Lars raised. |
2010-10-28
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17 | Jari Arkko | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded by Jari Arkko |
2010-10-28
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17 | Adrian Farrel | [Ballot comment] idnits reports... -- The document has a disclaimer for pre-RFC5378 work, but was first submitted on or after 10 November … [Ballot comment] idnits reports... -- The document has a disclaimer for pre-RFC5378 work, but was first submitted on or after 10 November 2008. Does it really need the disclaimer? In the Adbstract: However, the proposed method... Don't be so timid! This is about to become an RFC. |
2010-10-28
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17 | Adrian Farrel | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded by Adrian Farrel |
2010-10-28
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17 | Dan Romascanu | [Ballot comment] I support the issues raised by Lars in his DISCUSS. |
2010-10-28
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17 | Dan Romascanu | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded by Dan Romascanu |
2010-10-27
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17 | Ron Bonica | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded by Ron Bonica |
2010-10-27
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17 | Peter Saint-Andre | [Ballot comment] 1. I concur with Lars's DISCUSS: what will prevent people from using this technology for purposes other than rapid acquisition (e.g., as a … [Ballot comment] 1. I concur with Lars's DISCUSS: what will prevent people from using this technology for purposes other than rapid acquisition (e.g., as a way to bypass normal restrictions)? 2. Section 1 states that "Acquisition Delay" is "the difference between the time an RTP receiver joins the multicast session and the time the RTP receiver acquires all the necessary Reference Information". Section 4 states that three different elements contribute to "overall acquisition delay": multicast switching delay, Reference Information latency, and buffering delays. Which is it? This seems to have an impact on the problem statement and solution space. |
2010-10-27
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17 | Peter Saint-Andre | [Ballot comment] 1. Section 1 states that "Acquisition Delay" is "the difference between the time an RTP receiver joins the multicast session and the time … [Ballot comment] 1. Section 1 states that "Acquisition Delay" is "the difference between the time an RTP receiver joins the multicast session and the time the RTP receiver acquires all the necessary Reference Information". Section 4 states that three different elements contribute to "overall acquisition delay": multicast switching delay, Reference Information latency, and buffering delays. Which is it? |
2010-10-27
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17 | Peter Saint-Andre | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded by Peter Saint-Andre |
2010-10-27
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17 | Gonzalo Camarillo | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded by Gonzalo Camarillo |
2010-10-27
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17 | Stewart Bryant | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded by Stewart Bryant |
2010-10-27
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17 | Stewart Bryant | [Ballot comment] A well written document. Just one comments: What does this sentence mean when it talks about "spare" and is this an equipment resource … [Ballot comment] A well written document. Just one comments: What does this sentence mean when it talks about "spare" and is this an equipment resource or a network resource we are considering? "If there is spare bandwidth, the retransmission server might burst the Reference Information faster than its natural rate." |
2010-10-27
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17 | Ralph Droms | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded by Ralph Droms |
2010-10-26
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17 | Lars Eggert | [Ballot discuss] (CC'ing Magnus Westerlund, whose tsv-dir review touched on the points I am raising as well.) Section 1., paragraph 11: > A reasonable … [Ballot discuss] (CC'ing Magnus Westerlund, whose tsv-dir review touched on the points I am raising as well.) Section 1., paragraph 11: > A reasonable effort has been made in this specification to design a > solution that reliably works in both engineered and best-effort > networks. However, a proper congestion control combined with the > desired behavior of this solution is difficult to achieve. Rather, > this solution has been designed based on an assumption that the > retransmission server and the RTP receivers have some knowledge about > where the bottleneck between them is. This assumption may not hold > unless both the retransmission server and the RTP receiver are in the > same edge network. This solution is not designed to be used across > any best-effort path of the Internet. Thus, a careful consideration > should be given when deploying this solution in best-effort networks. DISCUSS: This applicability statement is too weak. I really believe you need to restrict the applicability of this mechanism to managed/engineered networks. RTP streams already give us the huge headache of not being congestion controlled. But at least they don't consume unlimited amounts of bandwidth, because there is an upper bound on the number of bits per time interval they'll result in, since were talking realtime playback here. This extension makes it potentially MUCH worse - every time a receiver tunes in, this will result in a traffic burst of potentially much higher bandwidth than the base RTP stream. Folks will want "rapid" to be "as rapid as possible", meaning they'll blast at the maximum rate that they can. That burst isn't being congestion controlled or rate controlled at all, as far as I can see from the document. The only environments we can be sure that this won't cause harm to other traffic is environments where bandwidth has been provisioned so that these bursts can be absorbed. This is not a technology we can recommend for the general Internet. Section 5., paragraph 4: > o Second, providing the rapid acquisition optimizations must not > cause collateral damage to either the multicast session being > joined, or other multicast sessions sharing resources with the > rapid acquisition operation. In particular, the rapid acquisition > operation must avoid interference with the multicast session that > might be simultaneously being received by other hosts. In > addition, it must also avoid interference with other multicast > sessions sharing the same network resources. These properties are > possible, but are usually difficult to achieve. DISCUSS: Unless you limit the applicability of this technology to engineered networks, where the only other traffic is other multicast sessions, you absolutely also need to minimize (ideally, eliminate) the impact on other (i.e., non-multicast) flows. Section 5., paragraph 5: > One challenge is the existence of multiple bandwidth bottlenecks > between the receiver and the server(s) in the network providing the > rapid acquisition service. In commercial IPTV deployments, for > example, bottlenecks are often present in the aggregation network > connecting the IPTV servers to the network edge, the access links > (e.g., DSL, DOCSIS) and in the home network of the subscribers. Some > of these links might serve only a single subscriber, limiting > congestion impact to the traffic of only that subscriber, but others > can be shared links carrying multicast sessions of many subscribers. > Also note that the state of these links can vary over time. The > receiver might have knowledge of a portion of this network, or might > have partial knowledge of the entire network. The methods employed > by the devices to acquire this network state information is out of > scope for this document. The receiver should be able to signal the > server with the bandwidth that it believes it can handle. The server > also needs to be able to rate limit the flow in order to stay within > the performance envelope that it knows about. Both the server and > receiver need to be able to inform the other of changes in the > requested and delivered rates. However, the protocol must be robust > in the presence of packet loss, so this signaling must include the > appropriate default behaviors. DISCUSS: This comes back to the first part of my DISCUSS: Unless we can specify such a mechanism for the general Internet - and I think we all agree that we can't - we cannot permit deployment of this extension there. In other words, we need to limit it to engineered walled-garden networks (such as intra-ISP IPTV rollouts) where such a mechanism can be cobbled together with OAM information. Section 6.4., paragraph 1: > This section provides informative guidelines about how the BRS can > shape the transmission of the unicast burst and how congestion can be > dealt within the RAMS process. When the RTP_Rx detects that the > unicast burst is causing severe congestion, it can prefer to send a > RAMS-T message immediately to stop the unicast burst. DISCUSS: Why is this section only informative? It describes techniques that I'd consider essential (or at least, very, very useful), such as requiring to monitor packet loss and react to it (and it uses RFC2119 language to do so...) |
2010-10-26
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17 | Lars Eggert | [Ballot comment] Section 5., paragraph 6: > A second challenge is that for some uses (e.g., high-bitrate video) > the unicast burst bitrate … [Ballot comment] Section 5., paragraph 6: > A second challenge is that for some uses (e.g., high-bitrate video) > the unicast burst bitrate is high while the flow duration of the > unicast burst is short. This is because the purpose of the unicast > burst is to allow the RTP receiver to join the multicast quickly and > thereby limit the overall resources consumed by the burst. Such > high-bitrate, short-duration flows are not amenable to conventional > admission control techniques. You should investigate the work of the PCN working group. Section 6.4., paragraph 12: > o When using RAMS in environments as described in (g), the BRS MUST > transmit the burst packets at an initial bitrate higher than the > nominal bitrate, but within the engineered or reserved bandwidth > limit. Right. This is feasible in engineered networks. Section 6.4., paragraph 13: > o When the BRS cannot determine a reliable bitrate value for the > unicast burst (using a through g), it is desirable that the BRS > chooses an appropriate initial bitrate not above the nominal > bitrate and increases it gradually unless a congestion is > detected. This is what we'd need to allow use on the general Internet. I note that you're halfway down the path of using TFRC here... |
2010-10-26
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17 | Lars Eggert | [Ballot discuss] Section 1., paragraph 11: > A reasonable effort has been made in this specification to design a > solution that reliably … [Ballot discuss] Section 1., paragraph 11: > A reasonable effort has been made in this specification to design a > solution that reliably works in both engineered and best-effort > networks. However, a proper congestion control combined with the > desired behavior of this solution is difficult to achieve. Rather, > this solution has been designed based on an assumption that the > retransmission server and the RTP receivers have some knowledge about > where the bottleneck between them is. This assumption may not hold > unless both the retransmission server and the RTP receiver are in the > same edge network. This solution is not designed to be used across > any best-effort path of the Internet. Thus, a careful consideration > should be given when deploying this solution in best-effort networks. DISCUSS: This applicability statement is too weak. I really believe you need to restrict the applicability of this mechanism to managed/engineered networks. RTP streams already give us the huge headache of not being congestion controlled. But at least they don't consume unlimited amounts of bandwidth, because there is an upper bound on the number of bits per time interval they'll result in, since were talking realtime playback here. This extension makes it potentially MUCH worse - every time a receiver tunes in, this will result in a traffic burst of potentially much higher bandwidth than the base RTP stream. Folks will want "rapid" to be "as rapid as possible", meaning they'll blast at the maximum rate that they can. That burst isn't being congestion controlled or rate controlled at all, as far as I can see from the document. The only environments we can be sure that this won't cause harm to other traffic is environments where bandwidth has been provisioned so that these bursts can be absorbed. This is not a technology we can recommend for the general Internet. Section 5., paragraph 4: > o Second, providing the rapid acquisition optimizations must not > cause collateral damage to either the multicast session being > joined, or other multicast sessions sharing resources with the > rapid acquisition operation. In particular, the rapid acquisition > operation must avoid interference with the multicast session that > might be simultaneously being received by other hosts. In > addition, it must also avoid interference with other multicast > sessions sharing the same network resources. These properties are > possible, but are usually difficult to achieve. DISCUSS: Unless you limit the applicability of this technology to engineered networks, where the only other traffic is other multicast sessions, you absolutely also need to minimize (ideally, eliminate) the impact on other (i.e., non-multicast) flows. Section 5., paragraph 5: > One challenge is the existence of multiple bandwidth bottlenecks > between the receiver and the server(s) in the network providing the > rapid acquisition service. In commercial IPTV deployments, for > example, bottlenecks are often present in the aggregation network > connecting the IPTV servers to the network edge, the access links > (e.g., DSL, DOCSIS) and in the home network of the subscribers. Some > of these links might serve only a single subscriber, limiting > congestion impact to the traffic of only that subscriber, but others > can be shared links carrying multicast sessions of many subscribers. > Also note that the state of these links can vary over time. The > receiver might have knowledge of a portion of this network, or might > have partial knowledge of the entire network. The methods employed > by the devices to acquire this network state information is out of > scope for this document. The receiver should be able to signal the > server with the bandwidth that it believes it can handle. The server > also needs to be able to rate limit the flow in order to stay within > the performance envelope that it knows about. Both the server and > receiver need to be able to inform the other of changes in the > requested and delivered rates. However, the protocol must be robust > in the presence of packet loss, so this signaling must include the > appropriate default behaviors. DISCUSS: This comes back to the first part of my DISCUSS: Unless we can specify such a mechanism for the general Internet - and I think we all agree that we can't - we cannot permit deployment of this extension there. In other words, we need to limit it to engineered walled-garden networks (such as intra-ISP IPTV rollouts) where such a mechanism can be cobbled together with OAM information. Section 6.4., paragraph 1: > This section provides informative guidelines about how the BRS can > shape the transmission of the unicast burst and how congestion can be > dealt within the RAMS process. When the RTP_Rx detects that the > unicast burst is causing severe congestion, it can prefer to send a > RAMS-T message immediately to stop the unicast burst. DISCUSS: Why is this section only informative? It describes techniques that I'd consider essential (or at least, very, very useful), such as requiring to monitor packet loss and react to it (and it uses RFC2119 language to do so...) |
2010-10-26
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17 | Lars Eggert | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded by Lars Eggert |
2010-10-24
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17 | Samuel Weiler | Request for Telechat review by SECDIR is assigned to Stephen Farrell |
2010-10-24
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17 | Samuel Weiler | Request for Telechat review by SECDIR is assigned to Stephen Farrell |
2010-10-23
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17 | Alexey Melnikov | [Ballot comment] 7.1.2. Private Extensions The structure that MUST be used for the private extensions is depicted in Figure 6. Here, the enterprise … [Ballot comment] 7.1.2. Private Extensions The structure that MUST be used for the private extensions is depicted in Figure 6. Here, the enterprise numbers are used from http://www.iana.org/assignments/enterprise-numbers. This will ensure the uniqueness of the private extensions and avoid any collision. 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Type | Reserved | Length | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Enterprise Number | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ : Value : +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Pedantic remark: I don't believe that Enterprise Numbers are limited to 32bits, although I don't think IANA will bypass the 32bit mark any time soon. |
2010-10-23
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17 | Alexey Melnikov | [Ballot discuss] This is a fine document, but I have a small list of issues I would like to discuss before recommending approval of this … [Ballot discuss] This is a fine document, but I have a small list of issues I would like to discuss before recommending approval of this document: For the purpose of gathering detailed information about RTP_Rx's rapid acquisition experience, [I-D.ietf-avt-multicast-acq-rtcp-xr] defines an RTCP Extended Report (XR) Block. This report is designed to be payload-independent, thus, it can be used by any multicast application that supports rapid acquisition. Support for this XR report is, however, OPTIONAL. The reference looks Normative to me. 7.3. RAMS Information o Message Sequence Number (8 bits) : Mandatory field that denotes the sequence number of the RAMS-I message for the particular media sender SSRC specified in the message header. The MSN value SHALL be set to zero only when a new RAMS request is received. During rapid acquisition, the same RAMS-I message MAY be repeated for redundancy purposes without incrementing the MSN value. If an updated RAMS-I message will be sent (either with a new information or an updated information), the MSN value SHALL be incremented by one. In the MSN field, the regular wrapping rules apply. When the MSN overflows, is the next one going to have the value 0 or 1? |
2010-10-23
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17 | Alexey Melnikov | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded by Alexey Melnikov |
2010-10-22
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17 | Russ Housley | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded by Russ Housley |
2010-10-20
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17 | Robert Sparks | Placed on agenda for telechat - 2010-10-28 by Robert Sparks |
2010-10-20
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17 | Robert Sparks | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Robert Sparks |
2010-10-20
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17 | Robert Sparks | Ballot has been issued by Robert Sparks |
2010-10-20
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17 | Robert Sparks | Created "Approve" ballot |
2010-10-20
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17 | Robert Sparks | State changed to IESG Evaluation from Waiting for AD Go-Ahead::AD Followup by Robert Sparks |
2010-10-16
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17 | (System) | Sub state has been changed to AD Follow up from New Id Needed |
2010-10-16
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16 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-16.txt |
2010-10-10
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17 | Samuel Weiler | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR Completed. Reviewer: Stephen Farrell. |
2010-09-29
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17 | Robert Sparks | State changed to Waiting for AD Go-Ahead::Revised ID Needed from Waiting for AD Go-Ahead by Robert Sparks |
2010-09-29
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17 | Amanda Baber | IANA understands that, upon approval of this document, there are six IANA actions that need to be completed. First, in the SDP names subregistry of … IANA understands that, upon approval of this document, there are six IANA actions that need to be completed. First, in the SDP names subregistry of the Session Description Protocol (SDP) Parameters located at: http://www.iana.org/assignments/sdp-parameters the following addition should be made to the att-field Registration type for Media level only: Type SDP Name Reference ---- ------------------ --------- att-field rams-updates [RFC-to-be] media level only Second, in the "ack" and "nack" Attribute Values subregistry of the Session Description Protocol (SDP) Parameters located at: http://www.iana.org/assignments/sdp-parameters the following addition should be made to the registry: Registry: Value Name Long Name Usable with Reference ---------- --------------------------------------- ----------- --------- rai Support for Updated RAMS Request Messages nack [RFC-to-be] Third, in the FMT Values for RTPFB Payload Types subregistry of the Real-Time Transport Protocol (RTP) Parameters registry located at: http://www.iana.org/assignments/rtp-parameters the following registration must be added: Registry: Value Name Long Name -------- ------------- -------------------------------------------- TBD RAMS Rapid Acquisition of Multicast Sessions The reference for this registration will be [RFC-to-be]. The authors suggest a value of 6 for TBD. Fourth, a new registry is to be created in the Real-Time Transport Protocol (RTP) Parameters registry located at: http://www.iana.org/assignments/rtp-parameters SFMT Values for RAMS Messages Registry Registration procedure: specification required The registry contains SFMT field in the RAMS messages which are single octet, allowing 256 values (the values 0 - 255). The reference for this new registry is to be [RFC-to-be]. There are initial registrations in this new registry: Value Name Reference ----- -------------------------------------------------- ------------- 0 Reserved [RFC-to-be] 1 RAMS Request [RFC-to-be] 2 RAMS Information [RFC-to-be] 3 RAMS Termination [RFC-to-be] 4-254 Unassigned 255 Reserved [RFC-to-be] Fifth, a new registry is to be created in the Real-Time Transport Protocol (RTP) Parameters located at: http://www.iana.org/assignments/rtp-parameters RAMS TLV Space Registry Registration procedure: specification required The Type field in the TLV elements is a single octet, allowing 256 values (0 - 255). The reference for this new registry is to be [RFC-to-be]. There are initial registrations in the newly created registry: Type Description Reference ---- -------------------------------------------------- ------------- 0 Reserved [RFCXXXX] 1 Requested Media Sender SSRC(s) [RFCXXXX] 2 Min RAMS Buffer Fill Requirement [RFCXXXX] 3 Max RAMS Buffer Fill Requirement [RFCXXXX] 4 Max Receive Bitrate [RFCXXXX] 5 Request for Preamble Only [RFCXXXX] 6 Supported Enterprise Number(s) [RFCXXXX] 7-30 Unassigned 31 Media Sender SSRC [RFCXXXX] 32 RTP Seqnum of the First Packet [RFCXXXX] 33 Earliest Multicast Join Time [RFCXXXX] 34 Burst Duration [RFCXXXX] 35 Max Transmit Bitrate [RFCXXXX] 36-60 Unassigned 61 Extended RTP Seqnum of First Multicast Packet [RFCXXXX] 62-127 Unassigned 128-254 No IANA Maintenance 255 Reserved [RFCXXXX] Sixth, a new registry is to be created in the Real-Time Transport Protocol (RTP) Parameters located at: http://www.iana.org/assignments/rtp-parameters RAMS Response Code Space Registry Registration procedure: Specification required The length of the Response field is two octets (0-65535). The response codes have been classified and registered following an HTTP-style code numbering in this document. As follows: Code Level Purpose ---------- --------------- 1xx Informational 2xx Success 3xx Redirection 4xx RTP Receiver (RTP_Rx) Error 5xx Burst/Retransmission Source (BRS) Error The reference for this new registry is to be [RFC-to-be]. There are initial registrations in the newly created registry: Code Description Reference ----- -------------------------------------------------- ------------- 0 A private response code is included in the message [RFC-to-be] 100 Parameter update for RAMS session [RFC-to-be] 200 RAMS request has been accepted [RFC-to-be] 201 Unicast burst has been completed [RFC-to-be] 400 Invalid RAMS-R message syntax [RFC-to-be] 401 Invalid min buffer requirement in RAMS-R message [RFC-to-be] 402 Invalid max buffer requirement in RAMS-R message [RFC-to-be] 403 Insufficient max bitrate requirement in RAMS-R message [RFC-to-be] 404 Invalid RAMS-T message syntax [RFC-to-be] 500 An unspecified BRS internal error has occurred [RFC-to-be] 501 BRS has insufficient bandwidth to start RAMS session [RFC-to-be] 502 Burst is terminated due to network congestion [RFC-to-be] 503 BRS has insufficient CPU cycles to start RAMS session [RFC-to-be] 504 RAMS functionality is not available on BRS [RFC-to-be] 505 RAMS functionality is not available for RTP_Rx [RFC-to-be] 506 RAMS functionality is not available for the requested multicast stream [RFC-to-be] 507 BRS has no valid starting point available for the requested multicast stream [RFC-to-be] 508 BRS has no reference information available for the requested multicast stream [RFC-to-be] 509 BRS has no RTP stream matching the requested SSRC [RFC-to-be] 510 RAMS request to acquire the entire session has been denied [RFC-to-be] 511 Only the preamble information is sent [RFC-to-be] 512 RAMS request has been denied due to a policy [RFC-to-be] IANA understand that these six action are all that are required upon approval of this document. |
2010-09-29
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17 | Cindy Morgan | State changed to Waiting for AD Go-Ahead from In Last Call by Cindy Morgan |
2010-09-15
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17 | Samuel Weiler | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Stephen Farrell |
2010-09-15
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17 | Samuel Weiler | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Stephen Farrell |
2010-09-14
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17 | Amy Vezza | Last call sent |
2010-09-14
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17 | Amy Vezza | State changed to In Last Call from Last Call Requested by Amy Vezza |
2010-09-14
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17 | Robert Sparks | Last Call was requested by Robert Sparks |
2010-09-14
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17 | Robert Sparks | State changed to Last Call Requested from AD Evaluation::AD Followup by Robert Sparks |
2010-09-14
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17 | (System) | Ballot writeup text was added |
2010-09-14
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17 | (System) | Last call text was added |
2010-09-14
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17 | (System) | Ballot approval text was added |
2010-09-07
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15 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-15.txt |
2010-08-30
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14 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-14.txt |
2010-08-26
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13 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-13.txt |
2010-08-25
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17 | (System) | Sub state has been changed to AD Follow up from New Id Needed |
2010-08-25
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12 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-12.txt |
2010-08-20
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17 | Robert Sparks | State changed to AD Evaluation::Revised ID Needed from AD Evaluation by Robert Sparks |
2010-08-18
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17 | Robert Sparks | State changed to AD Evaluation from Publication Requested by Robert Sparks |
2010-07-30
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17 | Cindy Morgan | Shepherd writeup for draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-11 as proposed standard. (1.a) Who is the Document Shepherd for this document? Has the Document Shepherd … Shepherd writeup for draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-11 as proposed standard. (1.a) Who is the Document Shepherd for this document? Has the Document Shepherd personally reviewed this version of the document and, in particular, does he or she believe this version is ready for forwarding to the IESG for publication? Keith Drage is the document shepherd for this document. The document has been reviewed and is ready for forwarding to IESG for publication. Document history: There were two predecessor drafts to the WG drafts in - draft-versteeg-avt-rapid-synchronization-for-rtp-00 was submitted 7th July 2008 and expired 8th January 2009; - draft-versteeg-avt-rapid-synchronization-for-rtp-01 was submitted 3rd November 2008 and expired 7th May 2009; - draft-versteeg-avt-rapid-synchronization-for-rtp-02 was submitted 9th March 2009 and expired 10th September 2009; - draft-versteeg-avt-rapid-synchronization-for-rtp-03 was submitted 16th April 2009 and expired 18th October 2009; - draft-levin-avt-rtcp-burst-00 was submitted 27th October 2008 and expired 30th April 2009; Resulting from a breakout session in IETF 73 the parties decided to go offline and bring a single proposal which was progressed in the WG as follows: - draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-00 was submitted 12th May 2009 and expired 13th November 2009; - draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-01 was submitted 16th June 2009 and expired 18th December 2009; - draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-02 was submitted 25th August 2009 and expired 26th February 2010; - draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-03 was submitted 4th September 2009 and expired 8th March 2010; - draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-04 was submitted 8th October 2009 and expired 11th April 2010; - draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-05 was submitted 16th November 2009 and expired 20th May 2010; - draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-06 was submitted 4th February 2010 and expires 8th August 2010; - draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-07 was submitted 18th February 2010 and expires 22nd August 2010; - draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-08 was submitted 8th March 2010 and expires 9th September 2010; - draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-09 was submitted 26th April 2010 and expires 28th October 2010; - draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-10 was submitted 29th May 2010 and expires 30th November 2010; - draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-11 was submitted 9th July 2010 and expires 10th January 2010; As a result of the discussion of this draft, the following issues have been split out into separate documents: - draft-begen-avt-rtcp-port-for-ssm - draft-ietf-avt-rtp-cnames - draft-ietf-avt-ports-for-ucast-mcast-rtp There is also specific work related to MPEG2TS preambles for rapid acquisition for which a solution is still under discussion in the working group. Working group last calls were held on the document as follows: - 22nd November 2009 on -05 version to complete 23rd December 2009. Reviews were received from Colin Perkins. - 5th May 2010 on -09 version to complete 26th May 2010. Reviews were received from Dan Wing, Roni Even, Keith Drage, Colin Perkins. Magnus Westerlund has also performed an extensive review of the document. (1.b) Has the document had adequate review both from key WG members and from key non-WG members? Does the Document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? Apart from two working group last calls, the document has been reviewed in depth by a number of members of the WG. (1.c) Does the Document Shepherd have concerns that the document needs more review from a particular or broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, someone familiar with AAA, internationalization or XML? The document does not need specific wider review. The appropriate expertise has existed within the AVT WG. (1.d) Does the Document Shepherd have any specific concerns or issues with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. Has an IPR disclosure related to this document been filed? If so, please include a reference to the disclosure and summarize the WG discussion and conclusion on this issue. There are multiple IPR disclosures in respect of the draft. After one member of the WG expressed concern, these were explicitly brought to the attention of the working group to see if there were other concerns. There were none. (1.e) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? The document has working group consensus. It has been widely worked on by a significant number of people within the working group. (1.f) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is entered into the ID Tracker.) No appeals have been threatened. (1.g) Has the Document Shepherd personally verified that the document satisfies all ID nits? (See the Internet-Drafts Checklist and http://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. Has the document met all formal review criteria it needs to, such as the MIB Doctor, media type and URI type reviews? The document passes ID NITs. The document has been thoroughly reviewed for editorial consistency by the document shepherd. Additionally, RFC 2119 language has been checked (and as part of this check a number of the requirements rewritten) and a number of SHOULD statements revised. There is one area of the document where RECOMMENDED has been used in section 6.2. This has been extensively discussed and has been considered to be the best compromise wording to reflect differing opinions on what the strength of this requirement should be. (1.h) Has the document split its references into normative and informative? Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the strategy for their completion? Are there normative references that are downward references, as described in [RFC3967]? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure for them [RFC3967]. The document has split its references into normative and informative references. The normative references have been assessed by the document shepherd and are considered to be normative references. There are no downward references (all the normative references are proposed standard). (1.i) Has the Document Shepherd verified that the document IANA consideration section exists and is consistent with the body of the document? If the document specifies protocol extensions, are reservations requested in appropriate IANA registries? Are the IANA registries clearly identified? If the document creates a new registry, does it define the proposed initial contents of the registry and an allocation procedure for future registrations? Does it suggest a reasonable name for the new registry? See [RFC5226]. If the document describes an Expert Review process has Shepherd conferred with the Responsible Area Director so that the IESG can appoint the needed Expert during the IESG Evaluation? The document does contain an IANA considerations section, and this is consistent with the body of the document. The proposals for existing registries and new registries have been checked for consistency with the existing registration material. (1.j) Has the Document Shepherd verified that sections of the document that are written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc., validate correctly in an automated checker? The document contains one small portion of ABNF in section 8.1. This has been verified visually to be conformant. (1.k) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up? Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary Relevant content can frequently be found in the abstract and/or introduction of the document. If not, this may be an indication that there are deficiencies in the abstract or introduction. Working Group Summary Was there anything in WG process that is worth noting? For example, was there controversy about particular points or were there decisions where the consensus was particularly rough? Document Quality Are there existing implementations of the protocol? Have a significant number of vendors indicated their plan to implement the specification? Are there any reviewers that merit special mention as having done a thorough review, e.g., one that resulted in important changes or a conclusion that the document had no substantive issues? If there was a MIB Doctor, Media Type or other expert review, what was its course (briefly)? In the case of a Media Type review, on what date was the request posted? Technical summary. When an RTP receiver joins a multicast session, it may need to acquire and parse certain Reference Information before it can process any data sent in the multicast session. Depending on the join time, length of the Reference Information repetition (or appearance) interval, size of the Reference Information as well as the application and transport properties, the time lag before an RTP receiver can usefully consume the multicast data, which we refer to as the Acquisition Delay, varies and can be large. This is an undesirable phenomenon for receivers that frequently switch among different multicast sessions, such as video broadcasts. In this document, we describe a method using the existing RTP and RTCP protocol machinery that reduces the acquisition delay. In this method, an auxiliary unicast RTP session carrying the Reference Information to the receiver precedes/accompanies the multicast stream. This unicast RTP flow can be transmitted at a faster than natural bitrate to further accelerate the acquisition. The motivating use case for this capability is multicast applications that carry real-time compressed audio and video. However, the proposed method can also be used in other types of multicast applications where the acquisition delay is long enough to be a problem. Working group summary The document is a product of the AVT working group. The document has working group consensus. Document quality It is understood that there are existing implementations of the specification from a number of vendors. |
2010-07-30
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17 | Cindy Morgan | Draft Added by Cindy Morgan in state Publication Requested |
2010-07-30
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17 | Cindy Morgan | [Note]: 'Keith Drage (keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com) is the document shepherd' added by Cindy Morgan |
2010-07-09
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11 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-11.txt |
2010-05-29
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10 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-10.txt |
2010-04-26
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09 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-09.txt |
2010-03-08
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08 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-08.txt |
2010-02-19
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(System) | Posted related IPR disclosure: HUAWEI TECHNOLOGIES CO.,LTD 's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-07 | |
2010-02-18
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07 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-07.txt |
2010-02-04
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06 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-06.txt |
2009-11-16
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05 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-05.txt |
2009-10-29
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(System) | Posted related IPR disclosure: Alcatel-Lucent's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-04 | |
2009-10-08
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04 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-04.txt |
2009-09-04
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03 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-03.txt |
2009-08-25
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02 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-02.txt |
2009-06-16
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01 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-01.txt |
2009-05-12
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00 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-00.txt |