Minutes IETF114: madinas
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MADINAS WG @ IETF 114
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MAC Address Device Identification for Network and Application Services
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THURSDAY, July 28, 2022

1600-1700  Session III  Liberty B

10 people in room, 7-8 remote.

* Welcome, Agenda Review and Status Update (WG Chairs) -- 10 mins
(16:00)
Juan-Carlos Zuniga, CISCO,  juzuniga@cisco.com
Carlos J. Bernardos, Universidad Carlos III de Madrid, cjbc@it.uc3m.es

CJB explains the use of GitHub to maintain the WG documents

* Updates from IEEE 802.11bh/bi (Juan C. Z??iga) -- 5 mins
(16:10)

JCZ explains that there is a need to improve the communication between the
802.11bh and the MADINAS working groups. MCR express disbelief at the captive
portal situation. MCR: The IEEE does not know much about captive portals it
seems. EV/MCR/JCZ: liaison from MADINAS (or ietf-ieee802 ML) could be used to
communicate official concerns

* MAC Address Randomization current state-of-affairs -- 10 mins
(16:15)
MAC address randomization, Carlos J. Bernardos
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-madinas-mac-address-randomization/

Discussion about whether we are publishing a point-in-time summary, as well as,
or as a replacing the github.

* Use cases and Problem statement -- 15 mins
(16:25)
Randomized and Changing MAC Address Use Cases, Jerome Henry, Yiu Lee
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-madinas-use-cases/

Describes situation where WEP sessions could survive MAC address changes.

* Open Roaming experiment planned for IETF 115 (Chairs) -- 5 mins
(16:40)

JCZ explains that there are discussions between IETF and WBA to run an
OpenRoaming experiment at a future IETF meeting. MCR reminds people that an
Ethics committee review needs to occur and consent could be required to run
such experiement

* Next Steps (WG Chairs w/AD Support) -- 10 mins
(16:45)

== time permitting ==
* A SAVI Solution for WLAN -- 5 mins
(16:55)
A SAVI Solution for WLAN, Lin He
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bi-savi-wlan/

Slide 6:
Question from SRI: where is the enforcement occuring?
Answers are confusing, moved to mailing list.

Slide 7:
EK: do you support IPv6?
discussion about what exactly is supported, and how can one support anycast?

Chairs/AD: not clear if this is in the charter of MADINAS or not.  Don't think
we can go into this space.

NEXT STEPS:
1. MCR suggests virtual interim meeting before IETF115.
2. Chairs agree. Early October timeframe will be proposed.