IAB and IESG Selection, Confirmation, and Recall Process: Operation of the Nominating and Recall Committees
draft-ietf-nomcom-rfc2727bis-09

The Introduction fastidiously notes that the organization of the IESG is outside the scope of the document. However, in so far as Section 3 bullet 3 explains that half of the IESG positions are reviewed by the NomCom per year, would it make sense to mention at a high level that IESG members serve in specific Areas, and that the review process is staggered to preserve continuity and institutional memory within Areas? This seems like an important detail of the NomCom process to omit, even if it might change as the IETF changes. I'd note that Section 3 bullet 3 already has a caveat about future IESG reorganization, so I'm not sure how it would hurt to talk about the current IESG structure, in the interests of fully depicting the existing practice.

The recall section makes no provision or even suggestion that the Recall Chair verify the putative signers.

Section 5, Point 12 suggests that the committee consult with the sitting members of the IAB and IESG.  I think that consultation with WG chairs should be suggested.

I note that the oral tradition section indicates that no person should serve on
both the IESG and IAB, except the IETF Chair who serves on both by
definition.  I believe that there is some lack of clarity on whether the IAB
Chair's role ex officio in the IESG means she "serves on", and that this is
probably not the place to resolve that or go into the liaisons from one
body to the other.  To capture the same thing, how about:

"No person should serve both on the IAB and as an Area Director, except
the IETF Chair whose roles  as an IAB member and Area Director of the General
Area is set out elsewhere".

>        If a voting volunteer member is recalled the committee may
>        choose to proceed with only 9 voting volunteers at its own
>        discretion.  In all other cases the Chair must repeat the random
>        selection process including an announcement of the iteration

>        prior to the actual selection as stated elsewhere in this
>        document.

The above implies to me that the nomcome is required to find a
replacement for a resignation, but is not for a recall. Shouldn't the
nomcom be allowed to also not replace resignations? I.e, I assume that
the nomcom would have  the option of filling or not filling any nomcom
opening, regardless of how it occurs.

>        It is consistent with this rule for the nominating committee to
>        choose one or more of the currently open positions to which it
>        may assign a term greater than 2 years in order to ensure the
>        ideal application of this rule in the future.

s/greater than 2 years/of up to 3 years/

(right now, in theory, nomcom could pick the length of time, though I
suspect a lot of folk would be surprised if this ever happend...)

>        committee.  The addition must be approved by all members of the
>        committee according to its established voting mechanism.
>        Advisors participate as individuals.
>

"all members" wording implies everyone must agree. What is the intent
here? Is it "must be approved by a quorum of the committee according
to its established voting mechanism"? Note: similar wording appears
elsewhere.

>        conducted.  A member may recalled if at least a quorum of all
>        committee members agree, including the vote of the member being
>        recalled.

What does this mean? simple majority if there is a quorum? (I ask
because in most cases this document doesn't proscribe rules, leaving
that to the nomcom to decide.)

>    4.  Confirmed candidates are expected to serve at least a 2 year
>        term.

not consistent with interim appointments

>        First, when there is only one official nominating committee the

add comma after committee

>        As of the publication of this document the current mechanism is
					       ^
>        an email message to both the "ietf" and the "ietf-announce"
>        mailing lists.

comma above


>         None of the Chair, liaisons, or advisors vote on the selection
>         of candidates.  They do vote on all other issues before the
>         committee unless otherwise specified.

s/specified/specified in this document/? (what is the intent?)

>    6.   A Chair, in consultation with the Internet Society President,
>         may appoint a temporary substitute.

Better to say "... for the Chair position".

>         If they can not resolve the issue between themselves liaisons

comma after themselves.

>         The confirmation process must be completed at least one month
>         prior to the First IETF.

s/must/should/ other parts of the document imply should on this topic.

>         The term of a nominating committee begins when its members are
>         officially announced.  The term ends at the Third IETF (not
>         three meetings) after the next nominating committee's term
>         begins.

ambigous wording. Reword:

         The term ends at the Third IETF (not three meetings), that is,
         the IETF after the next nominating committee's term begins.