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5G Wireless Wireline Convergence User Plane Encapsulation (5WE)
draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-08

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2024-01-26
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2021-04-14
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2021-03-02
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2021-03-02
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2021-03-01
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2021-02-22
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2021-02-22
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2021-02-22
08 (System) Announcement was received by RFC Editor
2021-02-22
08 (System) IANA Action state changed to In Progress
2021-02-22
08 Amy Vezza IESG state changed to Approved-announcement sent from Approved-announcement to be sent
2021-02-22
08 Amy Vezza IESG has approved the document
2021-02-22
08 Amy Vezza Closed "Approve" ballot
2021-02-22
08 Amy Vezza Ballot approval text was generated
2021-02-18
08 Erik Kline IESG state changed to Approved-announcement to be sent from Approved-announcement to be sent::AD Followup
2021-02-18
08 Cindy Morgan IESG state changed to Approved-announcement to be sent::AD Followup from IESG Evaluation
2021-02-18
08 Magnus Westerlund [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Magnus Westerlund
2021-02-17
08 Amanda Baber IANA Review state changed to IANA OK - Actions Needed from Version Changed - Review Needed
2021-02-17
08 Benjamin Kaduk Ballot comment text updated for Benjamin Kaduk
2021-02-09
08 Erik Kline Telechat date has been changed to 2021-02-18 from 2020-08-13
2021-02-09
08 Erik Kline IESG state changed to IESG Evaluation from Waiting for AD Go-Ahead
2021-02-09
08 Alvaro Retana [Ballot comment]
[Thank you for addressing my DISCUSS.]
2021-02-09
08 Alvaro Retana [Ballot Position Update] Position for Alvaro Retana has been changed to No Objection from Discuss
2021-02-09
08 (System) IANA Review state changed to Version Changed - Review Needed from IANA OK - Actions Needed
2021-02-09
08 David Allan New version available: draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-08.txt
2021-02-09
08 (System) New version approved
2021-02-09
08 (System) Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Dave Allan , David Woolley , Donald Eastlake
2021-02-09
08 David Allan Uploaded new revision
2021-02-05
07 (System) IESG state changed to Waiting for AD Go-Ahead from In Last Call
2021-02-04
07 Sabrina Tanamal IANA Experts State changed to Expert Reviews OK from Reviews assigned
2021-02-04
07 Sabrina Tanamal IANA Review state changed to IANA OK - Actions Needed from IANA - Not OK
2021-02-04
07 Sabrina Tanamal IANA Experts State changed to Reviews assigned from Expert Reviews OK
2021-02-04
07 (System) IANA Review state changed to IANA - Not OK from Version Changed - Review Needed
2021-02-04
07 Sabrina Tanamal
(Via drafts-lastcall@iana.org): IESG/Authors/WG Chairs:

The IANA Functions Operator has completed its review of draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-07. If any part of this review is inaccurate, please let …
(Via drafts-lastcall@iana.org): IESG/Authors/WG Chairs:

The IANA Functions Operator has completed its review of draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-07. If any part of this review is inaccurate, please let us know.

The IANA Functions Operator understands that, upon approval of this document, there are two actions which we must complete.

First, a new registry is to be created called the PPP Over Ethernet Versions registry. The new registry will be located on the Point-to-Point (PPP) Protocol Field Assignments registry page located at:

https://www.iana.org/assignments/ppp-numbers/

The new registry will be managed via Specification Required as defined in RFC 8126. There are initial registrations in the new registry as follows:

Registry Name: PPP Over Ethernet Versions
Registration Procedure: Specification Required
References: [RFC2516] [ RFC-to-be ]

VER Description Reference
----- -------------------------------- ----------------
0 reserved [ RFC-to-be ]
1 PPPoE [RFC2516]
2 5G WWC User Plane Encapsulation [ RFC-to-be ]
3-15 unassigned [ RFC-to-be ]

Second, in the ETHER TYPES registry, on the IEEE 802 Numbers registry page located at:

https://www.iana.org/assignments/ieee-802-numbers/

the existing registration for 0x8864 will have [ RFC-to-be ] added to the reference. This registry is not assigned by IANA and in accordance with RFC 7042, this change will be coordinated with the registry expert(s).

The IANA Functions Operator understands that these are the only actions required to be completed upon approval of this document.

Note:  The actions requested in this document will not be completed until the document has been approved for publication as an RFC. This message is meant only to confirm the list of actions that will be performed.

Thank you,

Sabrina Tanamal
Senior IANA Services Specialist
2021-01-28
07 Russ Housley Request for Last Call review by GENART Completed: Almost Ready. Reviewer: Russ Housley. Sent review to list.
2021-01-28
07 Jean Mahoney Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Russ Housley
2021-01-28
07 Jean Mahoney Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Russ Housley
2021-01-22
07 Amy Vezza
The following Last Call announcement was sent out (ends 2021-02-05):

From: The IESG
To: IETF-Announce
CC: bs7652@att.com, draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation@ietf.org, ek.ietf@gmail.com
Reply-To: last-call@ietf.org
Sender:
Subject: …
The following Last Call announcement was sent out (ends 2021-02-05):

From: The IESG
To: IETF-Announce
CC: bs7652@att.com, draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation@ietf.org, ek.ietf@gmail.com
Reply-To: last-call@ietf.org
Sender:
Subject: Last Call:  (5G Wireless Wireline Convergence User Plane Encapsulation (5WE)) to Informational RFC


The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the
following document: - '5G Wireless Wireline Convergence User Plane
Encapsulation (5WE)'
  as Informational RFC

This requests the start of a 2nd IETF Last Call with the intent of expressly calling
attention to the IPR claim associated with this document
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3663/).

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final
comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
last-call@ietf.org mailing lists by 2021-02-05. Exceptionally, comments may
be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning
of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.

Abstract


  As part of providing wireline access to the 5G Core (5GC), deployed
  wireline networks carry user data between 5G residential gateways
  and the 5G Access Gateway Function (AGF). The encapsulation method
  specified in this document supports the multiplexing of traffic for
  multiple PDU sessions within a VLAN delineated access circuit,
  permits legacy equipment in the data path to inspect certain packet
  fields, carries 5G QoS information associated with the packet data,
  and provides efficient encoding. It achieves this by specific points
  of similarity with the RFC 2516 PPPoE data packet encapsulation.




The file can be obtained via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation/


The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D:

  https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3663/





2021-01-22
07 Amy Vezza IESG state changed to In Last Call from Last Call Requested
2021-01-22
07 Amy Vezza Last call announcement was changed
2021-01-22
07 Amy Vezza Last call announcement was changed
2021-01-21
07 Erik Kline Last call was requested
2021-01-21
07 Erik Kline
This requests the start of a 2nd IETF Last Call with the intent of expressly calling attention to the IPR claim associated with this document …
This requests the start of a 2nd IETF Last Call with the intent of expressly calling attention to the IPR claim associated with this document (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3663/).
2021-01-21
07 Erik Kline IESG state changed to Last Call Requested from IESG Evaluation::AD Followup
2021-01-19
07 Amy Vezza Last call announcement was generated
2020-11-25
07 Alissa Cooper
[Ballot comment]
I cleared my DISCUSS. I would have liked to have seen an explicit call for feedback given the IPR declaration, but given how …
[Ballot comment]
I cleared my DISCUSS. I would have liked to have seen an explicit call for feedback given the IPR declaration, but given how much time has passed with no concerns raised, it need not hold up the document.

Thanks for updating the IANA registration policy.
2020-11-25
07 Alissa Cooper [Ballot Position Update] Position for Alissa Cooper has been changed to No Objection from Discuss
2020-10-01
07 Erik Kline Notification list changed to bs7652@att.com because the document shepherd was set
2020-10-01
07 Erik Kline Document shepherd changed to Barbara Stark
2020-10-01
07 David Allan New version available: draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-07.txt
2020-10-01
07 (System) New version approved
2020-10-01
07 (System) Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: David Woolley , Donald Eastlake , Dave Allan
2020-10-01
07 David Allan Uploaded new revision
2020-10-01
06 Erik Kline Changed consensus to Yes from No
2020-10-01
06 Erik Kline
(1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard,
Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is
this the proper type of RFC? …
(1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard,
Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is
this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the
title page header?

  Informational, as indicated on the title page. This is the proper
  type because this it extends the protocol in Informational RFC 2516
  and the specification was originated outside the IETF, in the
  Broadband Forum (BBF).

(2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement
Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent
examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved
documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections:

Technical Summary

  As part of providing wireline access to the 5G Core, deployed
  wireline networks carry user data between 5G residential gateways
  and the 5G Access Gateway Function. The encapsulation used
  needs to meet a variety of requirements including being able to
  multiplex the traffic of multiple user data sessions within a VLAN
  delineated access circuit, to permit legacy equipment in the data
  path to snoop certain packet fields, to carry 5G QoS information
  associated with the data, and to be efficiently encoded. This memo
  specifies an encapsulation that meets these requirements.

  A liaison statement from the BBF was received noting a
  "strong desire to see it progress through the IETF process":

      https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1694/

  The document currently has an IPR claim registered:

      https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3663/

Working Group Summary

  This document is an Individual Submission that was developed in the
  Broadband Forum.  A liaison statement from the BBF was received
  noting "a strong desire to see it progress through the IETF process":

      https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1694/

Document Quality

Are there existing implementations of the protocol? Have a significant
number of vendors indicated their plan to implement the specification?
Are there any reviewers that merit special mention as having done a
thorough review, e.g., one that resulted in important changes or a
conclusion that the document had no substantive issues?

    There are no known implementations at this point. A number of vendors
    (Juniper, Nokia, Huawei, ZTE, Intel) have indicated interest in the
    specification in the BBF.

Personnel

Document Shepherd: Erik Kline
Responsible Area Director: Erik Kline

(3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by
the Document Shepherd.

  Reviewed -03, gave feedback resulting in -04. Sought feedback from
  fellow INT AD, intarea wg chairs, and Barbara Stark (for her BBF
  expertise).  No concerns raised; general support received.

  Feedback included:

      """
      This draft represents a strong-consensus technical solution that has
      undergone many iterations (and looking at various other alternatives)
      in Broadband Forum. All the major router vendors and ISPs wanting to
      do 5G wireline have been involved and are on board...
      """

(4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or
breadth of the reviews that have been performed?

  No concerns.

(5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from
broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS,
DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that
took place.

  No special review needed.

(6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document
Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director
and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is
uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns
whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the interested
community has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still
wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here.

  No concerns.

(7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR
disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP
78
and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why.

  Authors confirm all appropriate disclosures have been made.

(8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If
so, summarize any discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR
disclosures.

  Yes, see https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3663/

(9) How solid is the consensus of the interested community behind this
document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few
individuals, with others being silent, or does the interested
community as a whole understand and agree with it?

  This document has been evolved and extensively discussed in the
  Broadband Forum WWC (Wireless Wireline Convergence) Work Area and
  has consensus there.

(10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme
discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate
email messages to the Responsible Area Director.

  No.

(11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this
document. (See http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the
Internet-Drafts Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this
check needs to be thorough.

  No major issues for -04.

  Document date is a month behind, but that is the AD/shepherd's fault
  for not being sufficiently proactive.

  I-D nits tool does flag 2119/8174/2516 as references that need not
  be, given the Informational status.

(12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review
criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, YANG Doctor, media type, and URI
type reviews.

  No formal review required.

(13) Have all references within this document been identified as
either normative or informative?

  Yes.

(14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready
for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such
normative references exist, what is the plan for their completion?

  No.

(15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC
3967
)? If so, list these downward references to support the Area
Director in the Last Call procedure.

  No.

(16) Will publication of this document change the status of any
existing RFCs?

  No.

(17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA
considerations section, especially with regard to its consistency with
the body of the document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that
the document makes are associated with the appropriate reservations in
IANA registries. Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been
clearly identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include
a detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry,
that allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and
a reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC
8126
).

  Everything seems in order.

  This document request the creation of an IANA registry called
  "PPP Over Ethernet Versions", specifies the contents of same from
  this and RFC 2516, and requests that Expert Review be the mechanism
  for future registrations.

(18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for
future allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would
find useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries.

  Yes, this document creates an Expert Review IANA Registry for PPP
  over Ethernet version numbers. Any expert(s) appointed for this
  registry should be knowledgeable in PPP and Ethernet. Donald
  Eastlake has volunteered to be an Expert.

(19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by to validate
sections of the document written in a formal language, such as XML
code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, YANG modules, etc.

  None of this document is in a formal language.

(20) If the document contains a YANG module, has the module been
checked with any of the recommended validation tools
(https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-review-tools) for syntax and
formatting validation? If there are any resulting errors or warnings,
what is the justification for not fixing them at this time? Does the
YANG module comply with the Network Management Datastore Architecture
(NMDA) as specified in RFC8342?

  This document does not contain any YANG modules.


2020-10-01
06 Erik Kline Changed consensus to No from Unknown
2020-09-28
06 (System) Removed an unintended duplicate version of the tsvart lc review
2020-09-07
06 Deborah Brungard
[Ballot comment]
Thanks for the BBF Liaison confirming their interest, I’ve cleared my Discuss.

Please consider the following comment.

While Eric V. suggested "'inspect for …
[Ballot comment]
Thanks for the BBF Liaison confirming their interest, I’ve cleared my Discuss.

Please consider the following comment.

While Eric V. suggested "'inspect for traffic engineering' rather than 'snoop'", I would strongly prefer
simply "inspect" as this is not traffic engineering. I also agree with Eric, there is no need to change the
current registration to "classic".
2020-09-07
06 Deborah Brungard [Ballot Position Update] Position for Deborah Brungard has been changed to No Objection from Discuss
2020-08-27
06 (System) Sub state has been changed to AD Followup from Revised ID Needed
2020-08-27
06 (System) IANA Review state changed to Version Changed - Review Needed from IANA OK - Actions Needed
2020-08-27
06 David Allan New version available: draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-06.txt
2020-08-27
06 (System) New version approved
2020-08-27
06 (System) Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: David Woolley , Donald Eastlake , Dave Allan
2020-08-27
06 David Allan Uploaded new revision
2020-08-13
05 Cindy Morgan IESG state changed to IESG Evaluation::Revised I-D Needed from IESG Evaluation
2020-08-12
05 Barry Leiba [Ballot comment]
I support the DISCUSS and comment positions from several of my fellow ADs, including Alissa, Álvaro, Deborah, and Murray.
2020-08-12
05 Barry Leiba [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Barry Leiba
2020-08-12
05 Deborah Brungard
[Ballot discuss]
Similar to Alvaro, I am concerned if the intention is for this document to be published in the IETF stream.
I agree with …
[Ballot discuss]
Similar to Alvaro, I am concerned if the intention is for this document to be published in the IETF stream.
I agree with Alvaro's concern on consensus and meeting RFC8789 guidelines. Even more of a concern for
me is that it does not follow the guidelines of RFC4775 (BCP125) if the intention is in support of BBF's work.

RFC4775 recommends when there is a formal liaison in place with another SDO, the liaison channel should be
used. On this work, there has been no formal liaison communicating this document meets their needs? The document
acknowledges "This memo is a result of comprehensive discussions by the Broadband Forum's Wireline Wireless
Convergence Work Area." The Shepherd writeup cites informal verification of support for the document. List discussion
indicates the same. But there has been no formal communication confirming these statements.

While this document's supporters may be correct in their affirmation of BBF's consensus on this document,
RFC4774 was done to ensure IETF and another SDO do communicate directly. RFC4774 has been valuable
in setting the guidelines for other SDOs over these last years. It would be a bad precedent to ignore it here.

Considering IETF has a formal liaison relationship with BBF, I don't think it will introduce too much of a delay
to obtain confirmation on this solution meeting their needs. I would recommend also sending a note to our
IETF-IEEE coordination group.
2020-08-12
05 Deborah Brungard
[Ballot comment]
While Eric V. suggested "'inspect for traffic engineering' rather than 'snoop'", I would strongly prefer
simply "inspect" as this is not traffic engineering. …
[Ballot comment]
While Eric V. suggested "'inspect for traffic engineering' rather than 'snoop'", I would strongly prefer
simply "inspect" as this is not traffic engineering. I also agree with Eric, there is no need to change the
current registration to "classic".
2020-08-12
05 Deborah Brungard [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Deborah Brungard
2020-08-12
05 Alissa Cooper
[Ballot discuss]
(1) Related to Alvaro's DISCUSS, given that this document is AD-sponsored and it has an IPR declaration that implies a possible royalty/fee, I …
[Ballot discuss]
(1) Related to Alvaro's DISCUSS, given that this document is AD-sponsored and it has an IPR declaration that implies a possible royalty/fee, I think we need to see specific support in the community for advancing this draft in light of the IPR declaration (as would normally be done in a WG for a WG document). I realize there have been expressions of support on the last-call list since the IESG started balloting, but they didn't speak to the IPR question.

(2) If I understand the vision for the IANA registry here, I think it needs to have a specification required policy rather than expert review. It seems like a large part of the value would be having documented specs for other versions (just as for this version), and given that the version space is small I assume we're not expecting a flood of registration requests without documentation.
2020-08-12
05 Alissa Cooper [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Alissa Cooper
2020-08-12
05 Robert Wilton
[Ballot comment]
Thanks for this document.

A couple of minor comments:

The document defines acronyms that refers to terminology, but doesn't really state where that …
[Ballot comment]
Thanks for this document.

A couple of minor comments:

The document defines acronyms that refers to terminology, but doesn't really state where that terminology is defined.  As a reader I think I would probably have found it helpful to know where I could look up particular terms (e.g. Reflective QoS Indicator).

      IGMP. This may be for the purpose of enhanced QoS, policing of
      identifiers and other applications. Some deployments are
      dependent upon this snooping. Such devices are able to do this
      for PPPoE or IP over ethernet (IPoE) packet encodings but would
      be unable to do so if a new encapsulation, or an existing
      encapsulation using a new Ethertype, were used.
     
Arguably what is being defined here is a new encapsulation.  Hence possibly worth changing from "new encapsulation" to "completely new encapsulation"?

Regards,
Rob
2020-08-12
05 Robert Wilton Ballot comment text updated for Robert Wilton
2020-08-12
05 Robert Wilton
[Ballot comment]
Thanks for this document.

A couple of minor comments:

The document defines acronyms that refers to terminology, but doesn't really state where that …
[Ballot comment]
Thanks for this document.

A couple of minor comments:

The document defines acronyms that refers to terminology, but doesn't really state where that terminology is defined.  As a reader I think I would probably have found it helpful to know where I could look up particular terms (e.g. Reflective QoS Indicator).

      IGMP. This may be for the purpose of enhanced QoS, policing of
      identifiers and other applications. Some deployments are
      dependent upon this snooping. Such devices are able to do this
      for PPPoE or IP over ethernet (IPoE) packet encodings but would
      be unable to do so if a new encapsulation, or an existing
      encapsulation using a new Ethertype, were used.
     
Arguably what is being defined here is a new encapsulation.  Hence possibly worth changing from "new encapsulation" to "completely new encapsulation"?
2020-08-12
05 Robert Wilton [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Robert Wilton
2020-08-11
05 Roman Danyliw
[Ballot comment]
** As already noted by Alvaro, please provide a reference to "5G NAS procedures" in Section 4.

** Section 4.  s/man in the …
[Ballot comment]
** As already noted by Alvaro, please provide a reference to "5G NAS procedures" in Section 4.

** Section 4.  s/man in the middle attacks/on-path attackers/
2020-08-11
05 Roman Danyliw [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Roman Danyliw
2020-08-11
05 Benjamin Kaduk
[Ballot comment]
Thanks for clarifying the 6 vs. 8 byte question in Martin D's ballot
thread; I had the same question...

Section 1

  -  …
[Ballot comment]
Thanks for clarifying the 6 vs. 8 byte question in Martin D's ballot
thread; I had the same question...

Section 1

  -  Identify that the mode of operation for packets encapsulated in
    such a fashion uses non-access stratum (NAS, a logical control
    interface between user equipment (UE) and 5GC as specified by
    3GPP) based 5G WWC session establishment and life cycle
    maintenance procedures as documented in [TS23502][TS23716] instead
    of legacy PPP/PPPoE session establishment procedures (i.e. PADI
    discipline, LCP, NCP etc.).

I suggest including "discovery" in the list of legacy PPP/PPPoE
procedures that are replaced, to leave another clue that the
only-6-byte-header case is not used.

Section 4

We should probably reiterate that the actual PPP frames that are
conveyed do not have any cryptographic protection.

Section 6.2

The BBF document [TR101] available at
https://www.broadband-forum.org/download/TR-101_Issue-2.pdf spells its
title with "Migration", not "Migrating" as is listed here.

If you need to use the [TS23502] and [TS23716] procedures in order to
establish a PPPoE-version-2 session, that seems like it qualifies them
as normative references.

RFC 4937 is not referenced from anywhere in the text.
2020-08-11
05 Benjamin Kaduk Ballot comment text updated for Benjamin Kaduk
2020-08-11
05 Benjamin Kaduk [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Benjamin Kaduk
2020-08-11
05 Martin Duke
[Ballot comment]
I support Alvaro's Discuss.

In section 1, it says "Fixed access is very sensitive to the complexity of residential
    gateways, therefore …
[Ballot comment]
I support Alvaro's Discuss.

In section 1, it says "Fixed access is very sensitive to the complexity of residential
    gateways, therefore encapsulation overhead and efficiency is an
    important consideration."

Overhead and efficiency aren't really answers for "complexity". I suggest a different word here.

Section 2. Please clarify that the inclusion of the protocol octets is consistent with the first two payload bytes for ethertype 0x8864. It is confusing to say it's a 8B header in RFC 2516 when that source clearly defines a 6B header and a payload which has its own 2B header. (Thanks for answering my original discuss on this point).
2020-08-11
05 Martin Duke [Ballot Position Update] Position for Martin Duke has been changed to No Objection from Discuss
2020-08-11
05 Martin Duke
[Ballot discuss]
Section 1 states "The 8 byte RFC 2516 data packet header..."

Isn't this a 6-byte header?  Will this cause problems for devices that …
[Ballot discuss]
Section 1 states "The 8 byte RFC 2516 data packet header..."

Isn't this a 6-byte header?  Will this cause problems for devices that are not inspecting the version field assuming the payload follows after 6 bytes?
2020-08-11
05 Martin Duke
[Ballot comment]
I support Alvaro's Discuss.

In section 1, it says "Fixed access is very sensitive to the complexity of residential
    gateways, therefore …
[Ballot comment]
I support Alvaro's Discuss.

In section 1, it says "Fixed access is very sensitive to the complexity of residential
    gateways, therefore encapsulation overhead and efficiency is an
    important consideration."

Overhead and efficiency aren't really answers for "complexity". I suggest a different word here.
2020-08-11
05 Martin Duke [Ballot Position Update] Position for Martin Duke has been changed to Discuss from No Objection
2020-08-11
05 Martin Duke
[Ballot comment]
In section 1, it says "Fixed access is very sensitive to the complexity of residential
    gateways, therefore encapsulation overhead and efficiency …
[Ballot comment]
In section 1, it says "Fixed access is very sensitive to the complexity of residential
    gateways, therefore encapsulation overhead and efficiency is an
    important consideration."

Overhead and efficiency aren't really answers for "complexity". I suggest a different word here.
2020-08-11
05 Martin Duke [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Martin Duke
2020-08-11
05 Alvaro Retana
[Ballot discuss]
Is this an IETF consensus document?  [This point is for the IESG to discuss.]

rfc8789 (IETF Stream Documents Require IETF Rough Consensus) reads: …
[Ballot discuss]
Is this an IETF consensus document?  [This point is for the IESG to discuss.]

rfc8789 (IETF Stream Documents Require IETF Rough Consensus) reads: "The IETF MUST NOT publish RFCs on the IETF Stream without establishing IETF rough consensus for publication."

I know that as an AD-sponsored document, it went through IETF LC, but it received no comments at all except for directorate reviews.  Does that establish rough consensus?  IMO, it just proves that no one objected, but also doesn't support that anyone is in favor.

The Shepherd writeup says that the "document is an Individual Submission that was developed in the Broadband Forum."  And also adds this opinion:

  This draft represents a strong-consensus technical solution that has
  undergone many iterations (and looking at various other alternatives)
  in Broadband Forum. All the major router vendors and ISPs wanting to
  do 5G wireline have been involved and are on board...

It points to consensus -- but in the BBF.


My conclusion is that this is not an IETF consensus document and should not be published in the IETF Stream, according to rfc8789.  The ISE seems like a better publication path.
2020-08-11
05 Alvaro Retana
[Ballot comment]
(1) The title of the document should reflect the contents—suggestion: "BBF's 5WE" (expanded, of course).


(2) The text talks about modifying or repurposing …
[Ballot comment]
(1) The title of the document should reflect the contents—suggestion: "BBF's 5WE" (expanded, of course).


(2) The text talks about modifying or repurposing rfc2516, but what is specified is a new version of the protocol.  The text should be clear about that, and about the fact that the procedures from rfc2516 don't apply.


(3) §2: How is the R bit set?  Is there a reference to where the RQI is defined?


(4) §2: Does the SESSION_ID have the same limitation as the field defined in rfc2516: "A value of 0xffff is reserved for future use and MUST NOT be used"?


(5) §2: "PROTOCOL ID...The following values are valid in this field for 5G WWC use..."  What should a receiver do if the ID is not valid?


(6) The Security Considerations section seems to say: don't worry, this is better than before.  I would like to see a reference to "5G NAS procedures".


(7) Even if the encapsulation is expected to be used only with specific applicability, it may be used in other network environments despite the text in the Introduction.  It is important to mention what the risks may be in those other cases.


(8) Nits:

s/Identifier[TS38415]/Identifier [TS38415]

s/P-bits[IEEE802]/P-bits [IEEE802]
2020-08-11
05 Alvaro Retana [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Alvaro Retana
2020-08-11
05 Éric Vyncke
[Ballot comment]
Thank you for the work put into this document. While the abstract is quite convoluted, the rest of the document is easy to …
[Ballot comment]
Thank you for the work put into this document. While the abstract is quite convoluted, the rest of the document is easy to read.

Please find below a couple of non-blocking COMMENTs (and I would appreciate a reply to each of my COMMENTs).

I hope that this helps to improve the document,

Regards,

-éric

== COMMENTS ==

-- Abstract --
I strongly suggest to use 'inspect for traffic engineering' rather than 'snoop'. Same applies in section 1.

Should the abstract mention that this specification re-uses the PPPoE framing?

-- Section 2 --
Re-using RFC 2516 fields requires that both termination points are collaborating. Should this be mentioned in the text? Or should the consequence be analyzed when one termination point is PPPoE only, i.e., how to react when receiving a frame with VER = 0x01 ?

Minor, as RFC 2516 uses hexadecimal constants for VER and TYPE, I suggest to also use 0x2 and 0x1 for this document (cosmetic).

-- Section 5 --
I would prefer to use 'PPPoE' rather than 'Classic PPPoE' in the IANA registry.

== NITS ==

I-D nits output:
== Unused Reference: 'RFC4937' is defined on line 296, but no explicit
    reference was found in the text
2020-08-11
05 Éric Vyncke [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Éric Vyncke
2020-08-10
05 Murray Kucherawy
[Ballot comment]
Section 1 talks about snooping.  Should anything about that be mentioned in Section 4?  Could it be abused in any way?

Section 5 …
[Ballot comment]
Section 1 talks about snooping.  Should anything about that be mentioned in Section 4?  Could it be abused in any way?

Section 5 creates an IANA registry with an Expert Review policy, but provides no guidance to the designated expert regarding how that person should review applications.  (See BCP 26, https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8126#section-4.5.)  Are none appropriate here?
2020-08-10
05 Murray Kucherawy [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Murray Kucherawy
2020-08-06
05 Amanda Baber IANA Experts State changed to Expert Reviews OK
2020-08-06
05 Amanda Baber IANA Review state changed to IANA OK - Actions Needed from Version Changed - Review Needed
2020-08-06
05 Erik Kline Placed on agenda for telechat - 2020-08-13
2020-08-06
05 Erik Kline IESG state changed to IESG Evaluation from Waiting for AD Go-Ahead
2020-08-06
05 Erik Kline Ballot has been issued
2020-08-06
05 Erik Kline [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Erik Kline
2020-08-06
05 Erik Kline Created "Approve" ballot
2020-08-06
05 Erik Kline Ballot writeup was changed
2020-08-06
05 Erik Kline IESG state changed to Waiting for AD Go-Ahead from Waiting for Writeup
2020-07-27
05 Aanchal Malhotra Request for Last Call review by SECDIR Completed: Ready. Reviewer: Aanchal Malhotra. Sent review to list.
2020-07-27
05 (System) IESG state changed to Waiting for Writeup from In Last Call
2020-07-26
05 (System) IANA Review state changed to Version Changed - Review Needed from IANA OK - Actions Needed
2020-07-26
05 David Allan New version available: draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-05.txt
2020-07-26
05 (System) New version approved
2020-07-26
05 (System) Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Donald Eastlake , Dave Allan , David Woolley
2020-07-26
05 David Allan Uploaded new revision
2020-07-17
04 (System) IANA Review state changed to IANA OK - Actions Needed from IANA - Review Needed
2020-07-17
04 Sabrina Tanamal
(Via drafts-lastcall@iana.org): IESG/Authors/WG Chairs:

The IANA Functions Operator has completed its review of draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-04. If any part of this review is inaccurate, please let …
(Via drafts-lastcall@iana.org): IESG/Authors/WG Chairs:

The IANA Functions Operator has completed its review of draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-04. If any part of this review is inaccurate, please let us know.

The IANA Functions Operator understands that, upon approval of this document, there are two actions which we must complete.

First, a new registry is to be created called the PPP Over Ethernet Versions registry. The new registry will be located on the Point-to-Point (PPP) Protocol Field Assignments registry page located at:

https://www.iana.org/assignments/ppp-numbers/

The new registry will be managed via expert review as defined in RFC8126. The reference for the new registry will be [RFC2516] and [ RFC-to-be ].

There are initial registrations in the new registry as follows:

Version Description Reference
--------+-----------------------------------------+------------------
0 Reserved [ RFC-to-be ]
1 Classic PPPoE [RFC2516]
2 5G WWC User Plane Encapsulation [ RFC-to-be ]
3-15 Unassigned

Second, in the ETHER TYPES registry on the IEEE 802 Numbers registry page located at:

https://www.iana.org/assignments/ieee-802-numbers/

The existing registration for Ethertype 0x8864: PPP over Ethernet (PPPoE) Session Stage will have [ RFC-to-be ] added to its reference.

The IANA Functions Operator understands that these are the only actions required to be completed upon approval of this document.

Note:  The actions requested in this document will not be completed until the document has been approved for publication as an RFC. This message is meant only to confirm the list of actions that will be performed.

Thank you,

Sabrina Tanamal
Senior IANA Services Specialist
2020-07-03
04 Russ Housley Request for Last Call review by GENART Completed: Almost Ready. Reviewer: Russ Housley. Sent review to list.
2020-07-02
04 Jean Mahoney Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Russ Housley
2020-07-02
04 Jean Mahoney Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Russ Housley
2020-07-02
04 Tero Kivinen Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Aanchal Malhotra
2020-07-02
04 Tero Kivinen Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Aanchal Malhotra
2020-07-02
04 Gunter Van de Velde Request for Last Call review by OPSDIR is assigned to Niclas Comstedt
2020-07-02
04 Gunter Van de Velde Request for Last Call review by OPSDIR is assigned to Niclas Comstedt
2020-06-30
04 David Black Request for Last Call review by TSVART Completed: Ready with Issues. Reviewer: David Black. Sent review to list.
2020-06-30
04 David Black Request for Last Call review by TSVART Completed: Ready with Issues. Reviewer: David Black. Sent review to list.
2020-06-29
04 Wesley Eddy Request for Last Call review by TSVART is assigned to David Black
2020-06-29
04 Wesley Eddy Request for Last Call review by TSVART is assigned to David Black
2020-06-29
04 Amy Vezza IANA Review state changed to IANA - Review Needed
2020-06-29
04 Amy Vezza
The following Last Call announcement was sent out (ends 2020-07-27):

From: The IESG
To: IETF-Announce
CC: ek.ietf@gmail.com, draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation@ietf.org
Reply-To: last-call@ietf.org
Sender:
Subject: Last Call:  …
The following Last Call announcement was sent out (ends 2020-07-27):

From: The IESG
To: IETF-Announce
CC: ek.ietf@gmail.com, draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation@ietf.org
Reply-To: last-call@ietf.org
Sender:
Subject: Last Call:  (5G Wireless Wireline Convergence User Plane Encapsulation (5WE)) to Informational RFC


The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the
following document: - '5G Wireless Wireline Convergence User Plane
Encapsulation (5WE)'
  as Informational RFC

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final
comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
last-call@ietf.org mailing lists by 2020-07-27. Exceptionally, comments may
be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning
of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.

Abstract


  As part of providing wireline access to the 5G Core (5GC), deployed
  wireline networks carry user data between 5G residential gateways
  and the 5G Access Gateway Function (AGF). The encapsulation used
  needs to meet a variety of requirements including being able to
  multiplex the traffic of multiple PDU sessions within a VLAN
  delineated access circuit, to permit legacy equipment in the data
  path to snoop certain packet fields, to carry 5G QoS information
  associated with the data, and to be efficiently encoded. This memo
  specifies an encapsulation that meets these requirements.




The file can be obtained via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation/


The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D:

  https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3663/





2020-06-29
04 Amy Vezza IESG state changed to In Last Call from Last Call Requested
2020-06-29
04 Amy Vezza Last call announcement was changed
2020-06-28
04 Erik Kline Last call was requested
2020-06-28
04 Erik Kline Last call announcement was generated
2020-06-28
04 Erik Kline Ballot approval text was generated
2020-06-28
04 Erik Kline Ballot writeup was generated
2020-06-28
04 Erik Kline IESG state changed to Last Call Requested from AD Evaluation
2020-06-27
04 Erik Kline IESG state changed to AD Evaluation from Publication Requested
2020-06-27
04 Erik Kline IESG process started in state Publication Requested
2020-06-27
04 Erik Kline
(1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard,
Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is
this the proper type of RFC? …
(1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard,
Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is
this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the
title page header?

  Informational, as indicated on the title page. This is the proper
  type because this it extends the protocol in Informational RFC 2516
  and the specification was originated outside the IETF, in the
  Broadband Forum (BBF).

(2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement
Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent
examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved
documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections:

Technical Summary

  As part of providing wireline access to the 5G Core, deployed
  wireline networks carry user data between 5G residential gateways
  and the 5G Access Gateway Function. The encapsulation used
  needs to meet a variety of requirements including being able to
  multiplex the traffic of multiple user data sessions within a VLAN
  delineated access circuit, to permit legacy equipment in the data
  path to snoop certain packet fields, to carry 5G QoS information
  associated with the data, and to be efficiently encoded. This memo
  specifies an encapsulation that meets these requirements.

Working Group Summary

  This document is an Individual Submission that was developed in the
  Broadband Forum.

Document Quality

Are there existing implementations of the protocol? Have a significant
number of vendors indicated their plan to implement the specification?
Are there any reviewers that merit special mention as having done a
thorough review, e.g., one that resulted in important changes or a
conclusion that the document had no substantive issues?

    There are no known implementations at this point. A number of vendors
    (Juniper, Nokia, Huawei, ZTE, Intel) have indicated interest in the
    specification in the BBF.

Personnel

Document Shepherd: Erik Kline
Responsible Area Director: Erik Kline

(3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by
the Document Shepherd.

  Reviewed -03, gave feedback resulting in -04. Sought feedback from
  fellow INT AD, intarea wg chairs, and Barbara Stark (for her BBF
  expertise).  No concerns raised; general support received.

  Feedback included:

      """
      This draft represents a strong-consensus technical solution that has
      undergone many iterations (and looking at various other alternatives)
      in Broadband Forum. All the major router vendors and ISPs wanting to
      do 5G wireline have been involved and are on board...
      """

(4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or
breadth of the reviews that have been performed?

  No concerns.

(5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from
broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS,
DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that
took place.

  No special review needed.

(6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document
Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director
and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is
uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns
whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the interested
community has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still
wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here.

  No concerns.

(7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR
disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP
78
and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why.

  Authors confirm all appropriate disclosures have been made.

(8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If
so, summarize any discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR
disclosures.

  Yes, see https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3663/

(9) How solid is the consensus of the interested community behind this
document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few
individuals, with others being silent, or does the interested
community as a whole understand and agree with it?

  This document has been evolved and extensively discussed in the
  Broadband Forum WWC (Wireless Wireline Convergence) Work Area and
  has consensus there.

(10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme
discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate
email messages to the Responsible Area Director.

  No.

(11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this
document. (See http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the
Internet-Drafts Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this
check needs to be thorough.

  No major issues for -04.

  Document date is a month behind, but that is the AD/shepherd's fault
  for not being sufficiently proactive.

  I-D nits tool does flag 2119/8174/2516 as references that need not
  be, given the Informational status.

(12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review
criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, YANG Doctor, media type, and URI
type reviews.

  No formal review required.

(13) Have all references within this document been identified as
either normative or informative?

  Yes.

(14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready
for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such
normative references exist, what is the plan for their completion?

  No.

(15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC
3967
)? If so, list these downward references to support the Area
Director in the Last Call procedure.

  No.

(16) Will publication of this document change the status of any
existing RFCs?

  No.

(17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA
considerations section, especially with regard to its consistency with
the body of the document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that
the document makes are associated with the appropriate reservations in
IANA registries. Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been
clearly identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include
a detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry,
that allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and
a reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC
8126
).

  Everything seems in order.

  This document request the creation of an IANA registry called
  "PPP Over Ethernet Versions", specifies the contents of same from
  this and RFC 2516, and requests that Expert Review be the mechanism
  for future registrations.

(18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for
future allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would
find useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries.

  Yes, this document creates an Expert Review IANA Registry for PPP
  over Ethernet version numbers. Any expert(s) appointed for this
  registry should be knowledgeable in PPP and Ethernet. Donald
  Eastlake has volunteered to be an Expert.

(19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by to validate
sections of the document written in a formal language, such as XML
code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, YANG modules, etc.

  None of this document is in a formal language.

(20) If the document contains a YANG module, has the module been
checked with any of the recommended validation tools
(https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-review-tools) for syntax and
formatting validation? If there are any resulting errors or warnings,
what is the justification for not fixing them at this time? Does the
YANG module comply with the Network Management Datastore Architecture
(NMDA) as specified in RFC8342?

  This document does not contain any YANG.


2020-06-26
04 Erik Kline Notification list changed to Erik Kline <ek.ietf@gmail.com>
2020-06-26
04 Erik Kline Document shepherd changed to Erik Kline
2020-06-26
04 Erik Kline Stream changed to IETF from None
2020-06-26
04 Erik Kline Shepherding AD changed to Erik Kline
2020-06-26
04 Erik Kline Intended Status changed to Informational from None
2020-05-04
04 David Allan New version available: draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-04.txt
2020-05-04
04 (System) New version approved
2020-05-04
04 (System) Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Donald Eastlake , Dave Allan , David Woolley
2020-05-04
04 David Allan Uploaded new revision
2020-03-03
03 David Allan New version available: draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-03.txt
2020-03-03
03 (System) New version approved
2020-03-03
03 (System) Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Dave Allan , David Woolley , Donald Eastlake
2020-03-03
03 David Allan Uploaded new revision
2020-02-14
02 David Allan New version available: draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-02.txt
2020-02-14
02 (System) New version approved
2020-02-14
02 (System) Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Dave Allan , David Woolley , Donald Eastlake
2020-02-14
02 David Allan Uploaded new revision
2020-01-13
01 David Allan New version available: draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-01.txt
2020-01-13
01 (System) New version approved
2020-01-13
01 (System) Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Dave Allan , David Woolley , Donald Eastlake
2020-01-13
01 David Allan Uploaded new revision
2019-07-31
Jenny Bui Posted related IPR disclosure: Telefonaktiebolaget LM Ericsson (publ)'s Statement about IPR related to draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation
2019-07-21
00 David Allan New version available: draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-00.txt
2019-07-21
00 (System) New version approved
2019-07-21
00 David Allan Request for posting confirmation emailed  to submitter and authors: David Allan , David Woolley , Donald Eastlake
2019-07-21
00 David Allan Uploaded new revision