5G Wireless Wireline Convergence User Plane Encapsulation (5WE)
draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-08
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2024-01-26
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08 | Gunter Van de Velde | Request closed, assignment withdrawn: Niclas Comstedt Last Call OPSDIR review |
2024-01-26
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08 | Gunter Van de Velde | Closed request for Last Call review by OPSDIR with state 'Overtaken by Events': Cleaning up stale OPSDIR queue |
2021-04-14
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08 | (System) | RFC Editor state changed to AUTH48-DONE from AUTH48 |
2021-04-12
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08 | (System) | RFC Editor state changed to AUTH48 |
2021-03-09
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08 | (System) | RFC Editor state changed to RFC-EDITOR from EDIT |
2021-03-02
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08 | (System) | IANA Action state changed to RFC-Ed-Ack from Waiting on RFC Editor |
2021-03-02
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08 | (System) | IANA Action state changed to Waiting on RFC Editor from In Progress |
2021-03-02
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08 | (System) | IANA Action state changed to In Progress from Waiting on Authors |
2021-03-01
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08 | (System) | IANA Action state changed to Waiting on Authors from In Progress |
2021-02-22
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08 | (System) | RFC Editor state changed to EDIT |
2021-02-22
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08 | (System) | IESG state changed to RFC Ed Queue from Approved-announcement sent |
2021-02-22
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08 | (System) | Announcement was received by RFC Editor |
2021-02-22
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08 | (System) | IANA Action state changed to In Progress |
2021-02-22
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08 | Amy Vezza | IESG state changed to Approved-announcement sent from Approved-announcement to be sent |
2021-02-22
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08 | Amy Vezza | IESG has approved the document |
2021-02-22
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08 | Amy Vezza | Closed "Approve" ballot |
2021-02-22
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08 | Amy Vezza | Ballot approval text was generated |
2021-02-18
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08 | Erik Kline | IESG state changed to Approved-announcement to be sent from Approved-announcement to be sent::AD Followup |
2021-02-18
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08 | Cindy Morgan | IESG state changed to Approved-announcement to be sent::AD Followup from IESG Evaluation |
2021-02-18
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08 | Magnus Westerlund | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Magnus Westerlund |
2021-02-17
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08 | Amanda Baber | IANA Review state changed to IANA OK - Actions Needed from Version Changed - Review Needed |
2021-02-17
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08 | Benjamin Kaduk | Ballot comment text updated for Benjamin Kaduk |
2021-02-09
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08 | Erik Kline | Telechat date has been changed to 2021-02-18 from 2020-08-13 |
2021-02-09
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08 | Erik Kline | IESG state changed to IESG Evaluation from Waiting for AD Go-Ahead |
2021-02-09
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08 | Alvaro Retana | [Ballot comment] [Thank you for addressing my DISCUSS.] |
2021-02-09
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08 | Alvaro Retana | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Alvaro Retana has been changed to No Objection from Discuss |
2021-02-09
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08 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to Version Changed - Review Needed from IANA OK - Actions Needed |
2021-02-09
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08 | David Allan | New version available: draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-08.txt |
2021-02-09
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08 | (System) | New version approved |
2021-02-09
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08 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Dave Allan , David Woolley , Donald Eastlake |
2021-02-09
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08 | David Allan | Uploaded new revision |
2021-02-05
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07 | (System) | IESG state changed to Waiting for AD Go-Ahead from In Last Call |
2021-02-04
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07 | Sabrina Tanamal | IANA Experts State changed to Expert Reviews OK from Reviews assigned |
2021-02-04
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07 | Sabrina Tanamal | IANA Review state changed to IANA OK - Actions Needed from IANA - Not OK |
2021-02-04
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07 | Sabrina Tanamal | IANA Experts State changed to Reviews assigned from Expert Reviews OK |
2021-02-04
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07 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to IANA - Not OK from Version Changed - Review Needed |
2021-02-04
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07 | Sabrina Tanamal | (Via drafts-lastcall@iana.org): IESG/Authors/WG Chairs: The IANA Functions Operator has completed its review of draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-07. If any part of this review is inaccurate, please let … (Via drafts-lastcall@iana.org): IESG/Authors/WG Chairs: The IANA Functions Operator has completed its review of draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-07. If any part of this review is inaccurate, please let us know. The IANA Functions Operator understands that, upon approval of this document, there are two actions which we must complete. First, a new registry is to be created called the PPP Over Ethernet Versions registry. The new registry will be located on the Point-to-Point (PPP) Protocol Field Assignments registry page located at: https://www.iana.org/assignments/ppp-numbers/ The new registry will be managed via Specification Required as defined in RFC 8126. There are initial registrations in the new registry as follows: Registry Name: PPP Over Ethernet Versions Registration Procedure: Specification Required References: [RFC2516] [ RFC-to-be ] VER Description Reference ----- -------------------------------- ---------------- 0 reserved [ RFC-to-be ] 1 PPPoE [RFC2516] 2 5G WWC User Plane Encapsulation [ RFC-to-be ] 3-15 unassigned [ RFC-to-be ] Second, in the ETHER TYPES registry, on the IEEE 802 Numbers registry page located at: https://www.iana.org/assignments/ieee-802-numbers/ the existing registration for 0x8864 will have [ RFC-to-be ] added to the reference. This registry is not assigned by IANA and in accordance with RFC 7042, this change will be coordinated with the registry expert(s). The IANA Functions Operator understands that these are the only actions required to be completed upon approval of this document. Note: The actions requested in this document will not be completed until the document has been approved for publication as an RFC. This message is meant only to confirm the list of actions that will be performed. Thank you, Sabrina Tanamal Senior IANA Services Specialist |
2021-01-28
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07 | Russ Housley | Request for Last Call review by GENART Completed: Almost Ready. Reviewer: Russ Housley. Sent review to list. |
2021-01-28
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07 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Russ Housley |
2021-01-28
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07 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Russ Housley |
2021-01-22
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07 | Amy Vezza | The following Last Call announcement was sent out (ends 2021-02-05): From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce CC: bs7652@att.com, draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation@ietf.org, ek.ietf@gmail.com Reply-To: last-call@ietf.org Sender: Subject: … The following Last Call announcement was sent out (ends 2021-02-05): From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce CC: bs7652@att.com, draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation@ietf.org, ek.ietf@gmail.com Reply-To: last-call@ietf.org Sender: Subject: Last Call: (5G Wireless Wireline Convergence User Plane Encapsulation (5WE)) to Informational RFC The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - '5G Wireless Wireline Convergence User Plane Encapsulation (5WE)' as Informational RFC This requests the start of a 2nd IETF Last Call with the intent of expressly calling attention to the IPR claim associated with this document (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3663/). The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the last-call@ietf.org mailing lists by 2021-02-05. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract As part of providing wireline access to the 5G Core (5GC), deployed wireline networks carry user data between 5G residential gateways and the 5G Access Gateway Function (AGF). The encapsulation method specified in this document supports the multiplexing of traffic for multiple PDU sessions within a VLAN delineated access circuit, permits legacy equipment in the data path to inspect certain packet fields, carries 5G QoS information associated with the packet data, and provides efficient encoding. It achieves this by specific points of similarity with the RFC 2516 PPPoE data packet encapsulation. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation/ The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3663/ |
2021-01-22
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07 | Amy Vezza | IESG state changed to In Last Call from Last Call Requested |
2021-01-22
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07 | Amy Vezza | Last call announcement was changed |
2021-01-22
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07 | Amy Vezza | Last call announcement was changed |
2021-01-21
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07 | Erik Kline | Last call was requested |
2021-01-21
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07 | Erik Kline | This requests the start of a 2nd IETF Last Call with the intent of expressly calling attention to the IPR claim associated with this document … This requests the start of a 2nd IETF Last Call with the intent of expressly calling attention to the IPR claim associated with this document (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3663/). |
2021-01-21
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07 | Erik Kline | IESG state changed to Last Call Requested from IESG Evaluation::AD Followup |
2021-01-19
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07 | Amy Vezza | Last call announcement was generated |
2020-11-25
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07 | Alissa Cooper | [Ballot comment] I cleared my DISCUSS. I would have liked to have seen an explicit call for feedback given the IPR declaration, but given how … [Ballot comment] I cleared my DISCUSS. I would have liked to have seen an explicit call for feedback given the IPR declaration, but given how much time has passed with no concerns raised, it need not hold up the document. Thanks for updating the IANA registration policy. |
2020-11-25
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07 | Alissa Cooper | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Alissa Cooper has been changed to No Objection from Discuss |
2020-10-01
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07 | Erik Kline | Notification list changed to bs7652@att.com because the document shepherd was set |
2020-10-01
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07 | Erik Kline | Document shepherd changed to Barbara Stark |
2020-10-01
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07 | David Allan | New version available: draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-07.txt |
2020-10-01
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07 | (System) | New version approved |
2020-10-01
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07 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: David Woolley , Donald Eastlake , Dave Allan |
2020-10-01
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07 | David Allan | Uploaded new revision |
2020-10-01
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06 | Erik Kline | Changed consensus to Yes from No |
2020-10-01
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06 | Erik Kline | (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is this the proper type of RFC? … (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the title page header? Informational, as indicated on the title page. This is the proper type because this it extends the protocol in Informational RFC 2516 and the specification was originated outside the IETF, in the Broadband Forum (BBF). (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary As part of providing wireline access to the 5G Core, deployed wireline networks carry user data between 5G residential gateways and the 5G Access Gateway Function. The encapsulation used needs to meet a variety of requirements including being able to multiplex the traffic of multiple user data sessions within a VLAN delineated access circuit, to permit legacy equipment in the data path to snoop certain packet fields, to carry 5G QoS information associated with the data, and to be efficiently encoded. This memo specifies an encapsulation that meets these requirements. A liaison statement from the BBF was received noting a "strong desire to see it progress through the IETF process": https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1694/ The document currently has an IPR claim registered: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3663/ Working Group Summary This document is an Individual Submission that was developed in the Broadband Forum. A liaison statement from the BBF was received noting "a strong desire to see it progress through the IETF process": https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1694/ Document Quality Are there existing implementations of the protocol? Have a significant number of vendors indicated their plan to implement the specification? Are there any reviewers that merit special mention as having done a thorough review, e.g., one that resulted in important changes or a conclusion that the document had no substantive issues? There are no known implementations at this point. A number of vendors (Juniper, Nokia, Huawei, ZTE, Intel) have indicated interest in the specification in the BBF. Personnel Document Shepherd: Erik Kline Responsible Area Director: Erik Kline (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by the Document Shepherd. Reviewed -03, gave feedback resulting in -04. Sought feedback from fellow INT AD, intarea wg chairs, and Barbara Stark (for her BBF expertise). No concerns raised; general support received. Feedback included: """ This draft represents a strong-consensus technical solution that has undergone many iterations (and looking at various other alternatives) in Broadband Forum. All the major router vendors and ISPs wanting to do 5G wireline have been involved and are on board... """ (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? No concerns. (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took place. No special review needed. (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the interested community has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. No concerns. (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why. Authors confirm all appropriate disclosures have been made. (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If so, summarize any discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR disclosures. Yes, see https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3663/ (9) How solid is the consensus of the interested community behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the interested community as a whole understand and agree with it? This document has been evolved and extensively discussed in the Broadband Forum WWC (Wireless Wireline Convergence) Work Area and has consensus there. (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. No. (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this document. (See http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. No major issues for -04. Document date is a month behind, but that is the AD/shepherd's fault for not being sufficiently proactive. I-D nits tool does flag 2119/8174/2516 as references that need not be, given the Informational status. (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, YANG Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. No formal review required. (13) Have all references within this document been identified as either normative or informative? Yes. (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the plan for their completion? No. (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure. No. (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any existing RFCs? No. (17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 8126). Everything seems in order. This document request the creation of an IANA registry called "PPP Over Ethernet Versions", specifies the contents of same from this and RFC 2516, and requests that Expert Review be the mechanism for future registrations. (18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries. Yes, this document creates an Expert Review IANA Registry for PPP over Ethernet version numbers. Any expert(s) appointed for this registry should be knowledgeable in PPP and Ethernet. Donald Eastlake has volunteered to be an Expert. (19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by to validate sections of the document written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, YANG modules, etc. None of this document is in a formal language. (20) If the document contains a YANG module, has the module been checked with any of the recommended validation tools (https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-review-tools) for syntax and formatting validation? If there are any resulting errors or warnings, what is the justification for not fixing them at this time? Does the YANG module comply with the Network Management Datastore Architecture (NMDA) as specified in RFC8342? This document does not contain any YANG modules. |
2020-10-01
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06 | Erik Kline | Changed consensus to No from Unknown |
2020-09-28
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06 | (System) | Removed an unintended duplicate version of the tsvart lc review |
2020-09-07
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06 | Deborah Brungard | [Ballot comment] Thanks for the BBF Liaison confirming their interest, I’ve cleared my Discuss. Please consider the following comment. While Eric V. suggested "'inspect for … [Ballot comment] Thanks for the BBF Liaison confirming their interest, I’ve cleared my Discuss. Please consider the following comment. While Eric V. suggested "'inspect for traffic engineering' rather than 'snoop'", I would strongly prefer simply "inspect" as this is not traffic engineering. I also agree with Eric, there is no need to change the current registration to "classic". |
2020-09-07
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06 | Deborah Brungard | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Deborah Brungard has been changed to No Objection from Discuss |
2020-08-27
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06 | (System) | Sub state has been changed to AD Followup from Revised ID Needed |
2020-08-27
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06 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to Version Changed - Review Needed from IANA OK - Actions Needed |
2020-08-27
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06 | David Allan | New version available: draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-06.txt |
2020-08-27
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06 | (System) | New version approved |
2020-08-27
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06 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: David Woolley , Donald Eastlake , Dave Allan |
2020-08-27
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06 | David Allan | Uploaded new revision |
2020-08-13
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05 | Cindy Morgan | IESG state changed to IESG Evaluation::Revised I-D Needed from IESG Evaluation |
2020-08-12
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05 | Barry Leiba | [Ballot comment] I support the DISCUSS and comment positions from several of my fellow ADs, including Alissa, Álvaro, Deborah, and Murray. |
2020-08-12
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05 | Barry Leiba | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Barry Leiba |
2020-08-12
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05 | Deborah Brungard | [Ballot discuss] Similar to Alvaro, I am concerned if the intention is for this document to be published in the IETF stream. I agree with … [Ballot discuss] Similar to Alvaro, I am concerned if the intention is for this document to be published in the IETF stream. I agree with Alvaro's concern on consensus and meeting RFC8789 guidelines. Even more of a concern for me is that it does not follow the guidelines of RFC4775 (BCP125) if the intention is in support of BBF's work. RFC4775 recommends when there is a formal liaison in place with another SDO, the liaison channel should be used. On this work, there has been no formal liaison communicating this document meets their needs? The document acknowledges "This memo is a result of comprehensive discussions by the Broadband Forum's Wireline Wireless Convergence Work Area." The Shepherd writeup cites informal verification of support for the document. List discussion indicates the same. But there has been no formal communication confirming these statements. While this document's supporters may be correct in their affirmation of BBF's consensus on this document, RFC4774 was done to ensure IETF and another SDO do communicate directly. RFC4774 has been valuable in setting the guidelines for other SDOs over these last years. It would be a bad precedent to ignore it here. Considering IETF has a formal liaison relationship with BBF, I don't think it will introduce too much of a delay to obtain confirmation on this solution meeting their needs. I would recommend also sending a note to our IETF-IEEE coordination group. |
2020-08-12
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05 | Deborah Brungard | [Ballot comment] While Eric V. suggested "'inspect for traffic engineering' rather than 'snoop'", I would strongly prefer simply "inspect" as this is not traffic engineering. … [Ballot comment] While Eric V. suggested "'inspect for traffic engineering' rather than 'snoop'", I would strongly prefer simply "inspect" as this is not traffic engineering. I also agree with Eric, there is no need to change the current registration to "classic". |
2020-08-12
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05 | Deborah Brungard | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Deborah Brungard |
2020-08-12
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05 | Alissa Cooper | [Ballot discuss] (1) Related to Alvaro's DISCUSS, given that this document is AD-sponsored and it has an IPR declaration that implies a possible royalty/fee, I … [Ballot discuss] (1) Related to Alvaro's DISCUSS, given that this document is AD-sponsored and it has an IPR declaration that implies a possible royalty/fee, I think we need to see specific support in the community for advancing this draft in light of the IPR declaration (as would normally be done in a WG for a WG document). I realize there have been expressions of support on the last-call list since the IESG started balloting, but they didn't speak to the IPR question. (2) If I understand the vision for the IANA registry here, I think it needs to have a specification required policy rather than expert review. It seems like a large part of the value would be having documented specs for other versions (just as for this version), and given that the version space is small I assume we're not expecting a flood of registration requests without documentation. |
2020-08-12
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05 | Alissa Cooper | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Alissa Cooper |
2020-08-12
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05 | Robert Wilton | [Ballot comment] Thanks for this document. A couple of minor comments: The document defines acronyms that refers to terminology, but doesn't really state where that … [Ballot comment] Thanks for this document. A couple of minor comments: The document defines acronyms that refers to terminology, but doesn't really state where that terminology is defined. As a reader I think I would probably have found it helpful to know where I could look up particular terms (e.g. Reflective QoS Indicator). IGMP. This may be for the purpose of enhanced QoS, policing of identifiers and other applications. Some deployments are dependent upon this snooping. Such devices are able to do this for PPPoE or IP over ethernet (IPoE) packet encodings but would be unable to do so if a new encapsulation, or an existing encapsulation using a new Ethertype, were used. Arguably what is being defined here is a new encapsulation. Hence possibly worth changing from "new encapsulation" to "completely new encapsulation"? Regards, Rob |
2020-08-12
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05 | Robert Wilton | Ballot comment text updated for Robert Wilton |
2020-08-12
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05 | Robert Wilton | [Ballot comment] Thanks for this document. A couple of minor comments: The document defines acronyms that refers to terminology, but doesn't really state where that … [Ballot comment] Thanks for this document. A couple of minor comments: The document defines acronyms that refers to terminology, but doesn't really state where that terminology is defined. As a reader I think I would probably have found it helpful to know where I could look up particular terms (e.g. Reflective QoS Indicator). IGMP. This may be for the purpose of enhanced QoS, policing of identifiers and other applications. Some deployments are dependent upon this snooping. Such devices are able to do this for PPPoE or IP over ethernet (IPoE) packet encodings but would be unable to do so if a new encapsulation, or an existing encapsulation using a new Ethertype, were used. Arguably what is being defined here is a new encapsulation. Hence possibly worth changing from "new encapsulation" to "completely new encapsulation"? |
2020-08-12
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05 | Robert Wilton | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Robert Wilton |
2020-08-11
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05 | Roman Danyliw | [Ballot comment] ** As already noted by Alvaro, please provide a reference to "5G NAS procedures" in Section 4. ** Section 4. s/man in the … [Ballot comment] ** As already noted by Alvaro, please provide a reference to "5G NAS procedures" in Section 4. ** Section 4. s/man in the middle attacks/on-path attackers/ |
2020-08-11
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05 | Roman Danyliw | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Roman Danyliw |
2020-08-11
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05 | Benjamin Kaduk | [Ballot comment] Thanks for clarifying the 6 vs. 8 byte question in Martin D's ballot thread; I had the same question... Section 1 - … [Ballot comment] Thanks for clarifying the 6 vs. 8 byte question in Martin D's ballot thread; I had the same question... Section 1 - Identify that the mode of operation for packets encapsulated in such a fashion uses non-access stratum (NAS, a logical control interface between user equipment (UE) and 5GC as specified by 3GPP) based 5G WWC session establishment and life cycle maintenance procedures as documented in [TS23502][TS23716] instead of legacy PPP/PPPoE session establishment procedures (i.e. PADI discipline, LCP, NCP etc.). I suggest including "discovery" in the list of legacy PPP/PPPoE procedures that are replaced, to leave another clue that the only-6-byte-header case is not used. Section 4 We should probably reiterate that the actual PPP frames that are conveyed do not have any cryptographic protection. Section 6.2 The BBF document [TR101] available at https://www.broadband-forum.org/download/TR-101_Issue-2.pdf spells its title with "Migration", not "Migrating" as is listed here. If you need to use the [TS23502] and [TS23716] procedures in order to establish a PPPoE-version-2 session, that seems like it qualifies them as normative references. RFC 4937 is not referenced from anywhere in the text. |
2020-08-11
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05 | Benjamin Kaduk | Ballot comment text updated for Benjamin Kaduk |
2020-08-11
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05 | Benjamin Kaduk | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Benjamin Kaduk |
2020-08-11
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05 | Martin Duke | [Ballot comment] I support Alvaro's Discuss. In section 1, it says "Fixed access is very sensitive to the complexity of residential gateways, therefore … [Ballot comment] I support Alvaro's Discuss. In section 1, it says "Fixed access is very sensitive to the complexity of residential gateways, therefore encapsulation overhead and efficiency is an important consideration." Overhead and efficiency aren't really answers for "complexity". I suggest a different word here. Section 2. Please clarify that the inclusion of the protocol octets is consistent with the first two payload bytes for ethertype 0x8864. It is confusing to say it's a 8B header in RFC 2516 when that source clearly defines a 6B header and a payload which has its own 2B header. (Thanks for answering my original discuss on this point). |
2020-08-11
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05 | Martin Duke | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Martin Duke has been changed to No Objection from Discuss |
2020-08-11
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05 | Martin Duke | [Ballot discuss] Section 1 states "The 8 byte RFC 2516 data packet header..." Isn't this a 6-byte header? Will this cause problems for devices that … [Ballot discuss] Section 1 states "The 8 byte RFC 2516 data packet header..." Isn't this a 6-byte header? Will this cause problems for devices that are not inspecting the version field assuming the payload follows after 6 bytes? |
2020-08-11
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05 | Martin Duke | [Ballot comment] I support Alvaro's Discuss. In section 1, it says "Fixed access is very sensitive to the complexity of residential gateways, therefore … [Ballot comment] I support Alvaro's Discuss. In section 1, it says "Fixed access is very sensitive to the complexity of residential gateways, therefore encapsulation overhead and efficiency is an important consideration." Overhead and efficiency aren't really answers for "complexity". I suggest a different word here. |
2020-08-11
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05 | Martin Duke | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Martin Duke has been changed to Discuss from No Objection |
2020-08-11
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05 | Martin Duke | [Ballot comment] In section 1, it says "Fixed access is very sensitive to the complexity of residential gateways, therefore encapsulation overhead and efficiency … [Ballot comment] In section 1, it says "Fixed access is very sensitive to the complexity of residential gateways, therefore encapsulation overhead and efficiency is an important consideration." Overhead and efficiency aren't really answers for "complexity". I suggest a different word here. |
2020-08-11
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05 | Martin Duke | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Martin Duke |
2020-08-11
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05 | Alvaro Retana | [Ballot discuss] Is this an IETF consensus document? [This point is for the IESG to discuss.] rfc8789 (IETF Stream Documents Require IETF Rough Consensus) reads: … [Ballot discuss] Is this an IETF consensus document? [This point is for the IESG to discuss.] rfc8789 (IETF Stream Documents Require IETF Rough Consensus) reads: "The IETF MUST NOT publish RFCs on the IETF Stream without establishing IETF rough consensus for publication." I know that as an AD-sponsored document, it went through IETF LC, but it received no comments at all except for directorate reviews. Does that establish rough consensus? IMO, it just proves that no one objected, but also doesn't support that anyone is in favor. The Shepherd writeup says that the "document is an Individual Submission that was developed in the Broadband Forum." And also adds this opinion: This draft represents a strong-consensus technical solution that has undergone many iterations (and looking at various other alternatives) in Broadband Forum. All the major router vendors and ISPs wanting to do 5G wireline have been involved and are on board... It points to consensus -- but in the BBF. My conclusion is that this is not an IETF consensus document and should not be published in the IETF Stream, according to rfc8789. The ISE seems like a better publication path. |
2020-08-11
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05 | Alvaro Retana | [Ballot comment] (1) The title of the document should reflect the contents—suggestion: "BBF's 5WE" (expanded, of course). (2) The text talks about modifying or repurposing … [Ballot comment] (1) The title of the document should reflect the contents—suggestion: "BBF's 5WE" (expanded, of course). (2) The text talks about modifying or repurposing rfc2516, but what is specified is a new version of the protocol. The text should be clear about that, and about the fact that the procedures from rfc2516 don't apply. (3) §2: How is the R bit set? Is there a reference to where the RQI is defined? (4) §2: Does the SESSION_ID have the same limitation as the field defined in rfc2516: "A value of 0xffff is reserved for future use and MUST NOT be used"? (5) §2: "PROTOCOL ID...The following values are valid in this field for 5G WWC use..." What should a receiver do if the ID is not valid? (6) The Security Considerations section seems to say: don't worry, this is better than before. I would like to see a reference to "5G NAS procedures". (7) Even if the encapsulation is expected to be used only with specific applicability, it may be used in other network environments despite the text in the Introduction. It is important to mention what the risks may be in those other cases. (8) Nits: s/Identifier[TS38415]/Identifier [TS38415] s/P-bits[IEEE802]/P-bits [IEEE802] |
2020-08-11
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05 | Alvaro Retana | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Alvaro Retana |
2020-08-11
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05 | Éric Vyncke | [Ballot comment] Thank you for the work put into this document. While the abstract is quite convoluted, the rest of the document is easy to … [Ballot comment] Thank you for the work put into this document. While the abstract is quite convoluted, the rest of the document is easy to read. Please find below a couple of non-blocking COMMENTs (and I would appreciate a reply to each of my COMMENTs). I hope that this helps to improve the document, Regards, -éric == COMMENTS == -- Abstract -- I strongly suggest to use 'inspect for traffic engineering' rather than 'snoop'. Same applies in section 1. Should the abstract mention that this specification re-uses the PPPoE framing? -- Section 2 -- Re-using RFC 2516 fields requires that both termination points are collaborating. Should this be mentioned in the text? Or should the consequence be analyzed when one termination point is PPPoE only, i.e., how to react when receiving a frame with VER = 0x01 ? Minor, as RFC 2516 uses hexadecimal constants for VER and TYPE, I suggest to also use 0x2 and 0x1 for this document (cosmetic). -- Section 5 -- I would prefer to use 'PPPoE' rather than 'Classic PPPoE' in the IANA registry. == NITS == I-D nits output: == Unused Reference: 'RFC4937' is defined on line 296, but no explicit reference was found in the text |
2020-08-11
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05 | Éric Vyncke | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Éric Vyncke |
2020-08-10
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05 | Murray Kucherawy | [Ballot comment] Section 1 talks about snooping. Should anything about that be mentioned in Section 4? Could it be abused in any way? Section 5 … [Ballot comment] Section 1 talks about snooping. Should anything about that be mentioned in Section 4? Could it be abused in any way? Section 5 creates an IANA registry with an Expert Review policy, but provides no guidance to the designated expert regarding how that person should review applications. (See BCP 26, https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8126#section-4.5.) Are none appropriate here? |
2020-08-10
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05 | Murray Kucherawy | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Murray Kucherawy |
2020-08-06
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05 | Amanda Baber | IANA Experts State changed to Expert Reviews OK |
2020-08-06
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05 | Amanda Baber | IANA Review state changed to IANA OK - Actions Needed from Version Changed - Review Needed |
2020-08-06
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05 | Erik Kline | Placed on agenda for telechat - 2020-08-13 |
2020-08-06
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05 | Erik Kline | IESG state changed to IESG Evaluation from Waiting for AD Go-Ahead |
2020-08-06
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05 | Erik Kline | Ballot has been issued |
2020-08-06
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05 | Erik Kline | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Erik Kline |
2020-08-06
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05 | Erik Kline | Created "Approve" ballot |
2020-08-06
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05 | Erik Kline | Ballot writeup was changed |
2020-08-06
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05 | Erik Kline | IESG state changed to Waiting for AD Go-Ahead from Waiting for Writeup |
2020-07-27
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05 | Aanchal Malhotra | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR Completed: Ready. Reviewer: Aanchal Malhotra. Sent review to list. |
2020-07-27
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05 | (System) | IESG state changed to Waiting for Writeup from In Last Call |
2020-07-26
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05 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to Version Changed - Review Needed from IANA OK - Actions Needed |
2020-07-26
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05 | David Allan | New version available: draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-05.txt |
2020-07-26
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05 | (System) | New version approved |
2020-07-26
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05 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Donald Eastlake , Dave Allan , David Woolley |
2020-07-26
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05 | David Allan | Uploaded new revision |
2020-07-17
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04 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to IANA OK - Actions Needed from IANA - Review Needed |
2020-07-17
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04 | Sabrina Tanamal | (Via drafts-lastcall@iana.org): IESG/Authors/WG Chairs: The IANA Functions Operator has completed its review of draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-04. If any part of this review is inaccurate, please let … (Via drafts-lastcall@iana.org): IESG/Authors/WG Chairs: The IANA Functions Operator has completed its review of draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-04. If any part of this review is inaccurate, please let us know. The IANA Functions Operator understands that, upon approval of this document, there are two actions which we must complete. First, a new registry is to be created called the PPP Over Ethernet Versions registry. The new registry will be located on the Point-to-Point (PPP) Protocol Field Assignments registry page located at: https://www.iana.org/assignments/ppp-numbers/ The new registry will be managed via expert review as defined in RFC8126. The reference for the new registry will be [RFC2516] and [ RFC-to-be ]. There are initial registrations in the new registry as follows: Version Description Reference --------+-----------------------------------------+------------------ 0 Reserved [ RFC-to-be ] 1 Classic PPPoE [RFC2516] 2 5G WWC User Plane Encapsulation [ RFC-to-be ] 3-15 Unassigned Second, in the ETHER TYPES registry on the IEEE 802 Numbers registry page located at: https://www.iana.org/assignments/ieee-802-numbers/ The existing registration for Ethertype 0x8864: PPP over Ethernet (PPPoE) Session Stage will have [ RFC-to-be ] added to its reference. The IANA Functions Operator understands that these are the only actions required to be completed upon approval of this document. Note: The actions requested in this document will not be completed until the document has been approved for publication as an RFC. This message is meant only to confirm the list of actions that will be performed. Thank you, Sabrina Tanamal Senior IANA Services Specialist |
2020-07-03
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04 | Russ Housley | Request for Last Call review by GENART Completed: Almost Ready. Reviewer: Russ Housley. Sent review to list. |
2020-07-02
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04 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Russ Housley |
2020-07-02
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04 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Russ Housley |
2020-07-02
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04 | Tero Kivinen | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Aanchal Malhotra |
2020-07-02
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04 | Tero Kivinen | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Aanchal Malhotra |
2020-07-02
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04 | Gunter Van de Velde | Request for Last Call review by OPSDIR is assigned to Niclas Comstedt |
2020-07-02
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04 | Gunter Van de Velde | Request for Last Call review by OPSDIR is assigned to Niclas Comstedt |
2020-06-30
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04 | David Black | Request for Last Call review by TSVART Completed: Ready with Issues. Reviewer: David Black. Sent review to list. |
2020-06-30
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04 | David Black | Request for Last Call review by TSVART Completed: Ready with Issues. Reviewer: David Black. Sent review to list. |
2020-06-29
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04 | Wesley Eddy | Request for Last Call review by TSVART is assigned to David Black |
2020-06-29
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04 | Wesley Eddy | Request for Last Call review by TSVART is assigned to David Black |
2020-06-29
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04 | Amy Vezza | IANA Review state changed to IANA - Review Needed |
2020-06-29
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04 | Amy Vezza | The following Last Call announcement was sent out (ends 2020-07-27): From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce CC: ek.ietf@gmail.com, draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation@ietf.org Reply-To: last-call@ietf.org Sender: Subject: Last Call: … The following Last Call announcement was sent out (ends 2020-07-27): From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce CC: ek.ietf@gmail.com, draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation@ietf.org Reply-To: last-call@ietf.org Sender: Subject: Last Call: (5G Wireless Wireline Convergence User Plane Encapsulation (5WE)) to Informational RFC The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - '5G Wireless Wireline Convergence User Plane Encapsulation (5WE)' as Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the last-call@ietf.org mailing lists by 2020-07-27. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract As part of providing wireline access to the 5G Core (5GC), deployed wireline networks carry user data between 5G residential gateways and the 5G Access Gateway Function (AGF). The encapsulation used needs to meet a variety of requirements including being able to multiplex the traffic of multiple PDU sessions within a VLAN delineated access circuit, to permit legacy equipment in the data path to snoop certain packet fields, to carry 5G QoS information associated with the data, and to be efficiently encoded. This memo specifies an encapsulation that meets these requirements. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation/ The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3663/ |
2020-06-29
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04 | Amy Vezza | IESG state changed to In Last Call from Last Call Requested |
2020-06-29
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04 | Amy Vezza | Last call announcement was changed |
2020-06-28
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04 | Erik Kline | Last call was requested |
2020-06-28
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04 | Erik Kline | Last call announcement was generated |
2020-06-28
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04 | Erik Kline | Ballot approval text was generated |
2020-06-28
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04 | Erik Kline | Ballot writeup was generated |
2020-06-28
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04 | Erik Kline | IESG state changed to Last Call Requested from AD Evaluation |
2020-06-27
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04 | Erik Kline | IESG state changed to AD Evaluation from Publication Requested |
2020-06-27
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04 | Erik Kline | IESG process started in state Publication Requested |
2020-06-27
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04 | Erik Kline | (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is this the proper type of RFC? … (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the title page header? Informational, as indicated on the title page. This is the proper type because this it extends the protocol in Informational RFC 2516 and the specification was originated outside the IETF, in the Broadband Forum (BBF). (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary As part of providing wireline access to the 5G Core, deployed wireline networks carry user data between 5G residential gateways and the 5G Access Gateway Function. The encapsulation used needs to meet a variety of requirements including being able to multiplex the traffic of multiple user data sessions within a VLAN delineated access circuit, to permit legacy equipment in the data path to snoop certain packet fields, to carry 5G QoS information associated with the data, and to be efficiently encoded. This memo specifies an encapsulation that meets these requirements. Working Group Summary This document is an Individual Submission that was developed in the Broadband Forum. Document Quality Are there existing implementations of the protocol? Have a significant number of vendors indicated their plan to implement the specification? Are there any reviewers that merit special mention as having done a thorough review, e.g., one that resulted in important changes or a conclusion that the document had no substantive issues? There are no known implementations at this point. A number of vendors (Juniper, Nokia, Huawei, ZTE, Intel) have indicated interest in the specification in the BBF. Personnel Document Shepherd: Erik Kline Responsible Area Director: Erik Kline (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by the Document Shepherd. Reviewed -03, gave feedback resulting in -04. Sought feedback from fellow INT AD, intarea wg chairs, and Barbara Stark (for her BBF expertise). No concerns raised; general support received. Feedback included: """ This draft represents a strong-consensus technical solution that has undergone many iterations (and looking at various other alternatives) in Broadband Forum. All the major router vendors and ISPs wanting to do 5G wireline have been involved and are on board... """ (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? No concerns. (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took place. No special review needed. (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the interested community has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. No concerns. (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why. Authors confirm all appropriate disclosures have been made. (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If so, summarize any discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR disclosures. Yes, see https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3663/ (9) How solid is the consensus of the interested community behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the interested community as a whole understand and agree with it? This document has been evolved and extensively discussed in the Broadband Forum WWC (Wireless Wireline Convergence) Work Area and has consensus there. (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. No. (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this document. (See http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. No major issues for -04. Document date is a month behind, but that is the AD/shepherd's fault for not being sufficiently proactive. I-D nits tool does flag 2119/8174/2516 as references that need not be, given the Informational status. (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, YANG Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. No formal review required. (13) Have all references within this document been identified as either normative or informative? Yes. (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the plan for their completion? No. (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure. No. (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any existing RFCs? No. (17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 8126). Everything seems in order. This document request the creation of an IANA registry called "PPP Over Ethernet Versions", specifies the contents of same from this and RFC 2516, and requests that Expert Review be the mechanism for future registrations. (18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries. Yes, this document creates an Expert Review IANA Registry for PPP over Ethernet version numbers. Any expert(s) appointed for this registry should be knowledgeable in PPP and Ethernet. Donald Eastlake has volunteered to be an Expert. (19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by to validate sections of the document written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, YANG modules, etc. None of this document is in a formal language. (20) If the document contains a YANG module, has the module been checked with any of the recommended validation tools (https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-review-tools) for syntax and formatting validation? If there are any resulting errors or warnings, what is the justification for not fixing them at this time? Does the YANG module comply with the Network Management Datastore Architecture (NMDA) as specified in RFC8342? This document does not contain any YANG. |
2020-06-26
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04 | Erik Kline | Notification list changed to Erik Kline <ek.ietf@gmail.com> |
2020-06-26
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04 | Erik Kline | Document shepherd changed to Erik Kline |
2020-06-26
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04 | Erik Kline | Stream changed to IETF from None |
2020-06-26
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04 | Erik Kline | Shepherding AD changed to Erik Kline |
2020-06-26
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04 | Erik Kline | Intended Status changed to Informational from None |
2020-05-04
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04 | David Allan | New version available: draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-04.txt |
2020-05-04
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04 | (System) | New version approved |
2020-05-04
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04 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Donald Eastlake , Dave Allan , David Woolley |
2020-05-04
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04 | David Allan | Uploaded new revision |
2020-03-03
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03 | David Allan | New version available: draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-03.txt |
2020-03-03
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03 | (System) | New version approved |
2020-03-03
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03 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Dave Allan , David Woolley , Donald Eastlake |
2020-03-03
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03 | David Allan | Uploaded new revision |
2020-02-14
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02 | David Allan | New version available: draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-02.txt |
2020-02-14
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02 | (System) | New version approved |
2020-02-14
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02 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Dave Allan , David Woolley , Donald Eastlake |
2020-02-14
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02 | David Allan | Uploaded new revision |
2020-01-13
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01 | David Allan | New version available: draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-01.txt |
2020-01-13
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01 | (System) | New version approved |
2020-01-13
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01 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Dave Allan , David Woolley , Donald Eastlake |
2020-01-13
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01 | David Allan | Uploaded new revision |
2019-07-31
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Jenny Bui | Posted related IPR disclosure: Telefonaktiebolaget LM Ericsson (publ)'s Statement about IPR related to draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation | |
2019-07-21
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00 | David Allan | New version available: draft-allan-5g-fmc-encapsulation-00.txt |
2019-07-21
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00 | (System) | New version approved |
2019-07-21
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00 | David Allan | Request for posting confirmation emailed to submitter and authors: David Allan , David Woolley , Donald Eastlake |
2019-07-21
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00 | David Allan | Uploaded new revision |