Network Working Group L. Dunbar
Internet Draft Futurewei
Intended status: Informational A. Malis
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C. Jacquenet
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November 1, 2019
Gap Analysis of Dynamic Networks to Hybrid Cloud DCs
draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2cloud-gap-analysis-03
Abstract
This document analyzes the technological gaps when using SDWAN to
dynamically interconnect workloads and applications hosted in
rd various 3 party cloud data centers.
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Table of Contents
1. Introduction...................................................2
2. Conventions used in this document..............................3
3. Gap Analysis of C-PEs WAN Port Management......................4
4. Aggregating VPN paths and Internet paths.......................6
4.1. Key Control Plane Components of SDWAN Overlay.............7
4.2. Using BGP UPDATE Messages.................................8
4.3. SECURE-L3VPN/EVPN.........................................9
4.4. Preventing attacks from Internet-facing ports............10
5. C-PEs not directly connected to VPN PEs.......................11
5.1. Floating PEs to connect to Remote CPEs...................13
5.2. NAT Traversal............................................13
5.3. Complexity of using BGP between PEs and remote CPEs via
Internet......................................................13
5.4. Designated Forwarder to the remote edges.................14
5.5. Traffic Path Management..................................15
6. Manageability Considerations..................................15
7. Security Considerations.......................................15
8. IANA Considerations...........................................16
9. References....................................................16
9.1. Normative References.....................................16
9.2. Informative References...................................16
10. Acknowledgments..............................................17
1. Introduction
[Net2Cloud-Problem] describes the problems that enterprises face
today in transitioning their IT infrastructure to support digital
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economy, such as connecting enterprises' branch offices to dynamic
workloads in different Cloud DCs.
This document analyzes the technological gaps to interconnect
dynamic workloads & apps hosted in cloud data centers that the
enterprise's VPN service provider may not own/operate or may be
unable to provide the enterprise with the required connectivity to
access such locations. When VPN service providers have insufficient
bandwidth to reach a location, SDWAN techniques can be used to
aggregate bandwidth of multiple networks, such as MPLS VPNs or the
Public Internet to achieve better performance. This document
primarily focuses on the technological gaps raised by using SDWAN
techniques to connect enterprise premises to cloud data centers
operated by third parties.
For the sake of readability, a SDWAN edge, a SDWAN endpoint, C-PE,
or CPE are used interchangeably throughout this document. However,
each term has some minor emphasis, especially when used in other
related documents:
. SDWAN Edge: could include multiple devices (virtual or
physical);
. SDWAN endpoint: to refer to a WAN port of SDWAN devices or a
single SDWAN device;
. C-PE: more for provider owned SDWAN edge, e.g. for SECURE-
EVPN's PE based VPN, when PE is the edge node of SDWAN;
. CPE: more for enterprise owned SDWAN edge.
2. Conventions used in this document
Cloud DC: Third party Data Centers that usually host applications
and workload owned by different organizations or
tenants.
Controller: Used interchangeably with SDWAN controller to manage
SDWAN overlay path creation/deletion and monitor the
path conditions between sites.
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CPE-Based VPN: Virtual Private Network designed and deployed from
CPEs. This is to differentiate from most commonly used
PE-based VPNs a la RFC 4364.
OnPrem: On Premises data centers and branch offices
SDWAN: Software Defined Wide Area Network, "SDWAN" refers to
the solutions of pooling WAN bandwidth from multiple
underlay networks to get better WAN bandwidth
management, visibility & control. When the underlay is a
private network, traffic may be forwarded without any
additional encryption; when the underlay networks are
public, such as the Internet, some traffic needs to be
encrypted when passing through (depending on user-
provided policies).
3. Gap Analysis of C-PEs WAN Port Management
One of the key characteristics of the networks that interconnect
workloads in Hybrid Cloud DCs is that those networks' edges can have
WAN ports facing networks provided by different ISPs, some can be
untrusted public internet, some can be MPLS VPN, some can be Cloud
internal networks, some can be others.
If an edge node only has one single WAN port facing untrusted
network, then all sensitive data to/from this edge have to be
encrypted, usually by IPsec tunnels which can be terminated at the
single WAN port address or at the edge node's internal address if it
is routable in the wide area network.
If an edge node has multiple WAN ports with some facing private VPN
and some facing public untrusted network, sensitive data can be
forwarded via ports facing VPN natively without encryption and via
ports facing public network with encryption. To achieve this
flexibility, it is necessary to have the IPsec tunnels terminated at
the WAN ports facing the public networks.
In order to establish pair-wise secure encrypted connection among
those WAN ports, it is necessary for peers to be informed of the WAN
port properties.
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Some of those overlay networks (a.k.a. SDWAN in the context of this
document) use the modified NHRP protocol [RFC2332] to register WAN
ports of the edges with their "Controller" (or NHRP server), which
then map a private VPN address to a public IP address of the
destination node/port. DSVPN [DSVPN] or DMVPN [DMVPN] are used to
establish tunnels between WAN ports of SDWAN edge nodes.
NHRP was originally intended for ATM address resolution, and as a
result, it misses many attributes that are necessary for dynamic
endpoint C-PE registration to the controller, such as:
- Interworking with the MPLS VPN control plane. An overlay (SDWAN)
edge can have some ports facing the MPLS VPN network over which
packets can be forwarded without any encryption and some ports
facing the public Internet over which sensitive traffic needs to
be encrypted before being sent.
- Scalability: NHRP/DSVPN/DMVPN works fine with small numbers of
edge nodes. When a network has more than 100 nodes, these
protocols do not scale well.
- NHRP does not have the IPsec attributes, which are needed for
peers to build Security Associations over the public internet.
- NHRP messages do not have any field to encode the C-PE supported
encapsulation types, such as IPsec-GRE or IPsec-VxLAN.
- NHRP messages do not have any field to encode C-PE Location
identifiers, such as Site Identifier, System ID, and/or Port ID.
- NHRP messages do not have any field to describe the gateway(s) to
which the C-PE is attached. When a C-PE is instantiated in a Cloud
DC, it is desirable for C-PE's owner to be informed of how/where
the C-PE is attached.
- NHRP messages do not have any field to describe C-PE's NAT
properties if the C-PE is using private addresses, such as the NAT
type, Private address, Public address, Private port, Public port,
etc.
[BGP-SDWAN-PORT] describes how SDWAN edge nodes use BGP to register
their WAN ports properties to the SDWAN controller, which then
propagates the information to other SDWAN edge nodes that are
authenticated and authorized to communicate with them.
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4. Aggregating VPN paths and Internet paths
Most likely, enterprises (especially the largest ones) already have
their C-PEs interconnected by providers VPNs, such as EVPN, L2VPN,
or L3VPN, which can be PE-based or CPE-based. The commonly used PE-
based VPNs have C-PE directly attached to PEs, therefore the
communication between C-PEs and PEs is considered as secure. MP-BGP
is used to learn & distribute routes among C-PEs, even though
sometimes routes among C-PEs are statically configured on the C-PEs.
For enterprises already interconnected by VPNs, it is desirable to
aggregate the bandwidth among VPN paths and Internet paths by C-PEs
adding additional ports facing public internet. Under this scenario
which is referred to as SDWAN Overlay throughout this document, it
is necessary for the C-PEs to use a protocol to register their WAN
port properties with their SDWAN Controller(s). The information is
needed for the establishment and the maintenance of Port-based IPsec
SA associations among relevant C-PEs.
When using NHRP for registration purposes, C-PEs need to run two
separate control planes: EVPN&BGP for CPE-based VPNs, and NHRP &
DSVPN/DMVPN for ports connected to the Internet. Two separate
control planes not only add complexity to C-PEs, but also increase
operational cost.
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+---+
+--------------|RR |----------+
/ Untrusted +-+-+ \
/ \
/ \
+----+ +---------+ packets encrypted over +------+ +----+
| TN3|--| A1-----+ Untrusted +------ B1 |--| TN1|
+----+ | C-PE A2-\ | C-PE | +----+
+----+ | A A3--+--+ +---+---B2 B | +----+
| TN2|--| | |PE+--------------+PE |---B3 |--| TN3|
+----+ +---------+ +--+ trusted +---+ +------+ +----+
| WAN |
+----+ +---------+ +--+ packets +---+ +------+ +----+
| TN1|--| C1--|PE| go natively |PE |-- D1 |--| TN1|
+----+ | C-PE C2--+--+ without encry+---+ | C-PE | +----+
| C | +--------------+ | D |
| | | |
+----+ | C3--| without encrypt over | | +----+
| TN2|--| C4--+---- Untrusted --+------D2 |--| TN2|
+----+ +---------+ +------+ +----+
Figure 1: CPEs interconnected by VPN paths and Internet Paths
4.1. Key Control Plane Components of SDWAN Overlay
As described in [BGP-SDWAN-Usage], the SDWAN Overlay Control Plane
has three distinct properties:
- SDWAN node's WAN Port Property registration to the SDWAN
Controller.
o To inform the SDWAN controller and authorized peers of the
WAN port properties of the C-PE [SDWAN-Port]. When the WAN
ports are assigned private addresses, this step can
register the type of NAT that translates private addresses
into public ones.
- Controller facilitated IPsec SA management and NAT information
distribution
o It is for SDWAN controller to facilitate or manage the
IPsec configuration and peer authentication for all IPsec
tunnels terminated at the SDWAN nodes.
- Establishing and Managing the topology and reachability for
services attached to the client ports of SDWAN nodes.
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o This is for the overlay layer's route distribution, so
that a C-PE can populate its overlay routing table with
entries that identify the next hop for reaching a specific
route/service attached to remote nodes. [SECURE-EVPN]
describes EVPN and other options.
4.2. Using BGP UPDATE Messages
[Tunnel-Encap] describe the BGP UPDATE Tunnel Path Attribute that
advertise endpoints' tunnel encapsulation capability for the
respective attached client routes encoded in the MP-NLRI Path
Attribute. The receivers of the BGP UPDATE can use any of the
supported encapsulations encoded in the Tunnel Path Attribute for
the routes encoded in the MP-NLRI Path Attribute.
Here are some of the gaps using [Tunnel-Encap] to distribute SDWAN
Edge WAN port properties:
- [Tunnel-Encap] doesn't yet have the encoding to describe the NAT
information for WAN ports that have private addresses. The NAT
information needs to be propagated to the trusted peers via
Controllers, such as the virtual C-PEs instantiated in public
Cloud DCs.
- It is not easy using the current mechanism in [Tunnel-Encap] to
exchange IPsec SA specific parameters independently from
advertising the attached clients' routes, even after adding a new
IPsec tunnel type.
[Tunnel-Encap] requires all tunnels updates are associated with
routes. There can be many client routes associated with the SDWAN
IPsec tunnel between two C-PEs' WAN ports; the corresponding
destination prefixes (as announced by the aforementioned routes)
may also be reached through the VPN underlay without any
encryption.
The establishment of an IPsec tunnel can fail, such as due to the
two endpoints supporting different encryption algorithms or other
reasons. There can be multiple negotiations messages for the IPsec
SA parameters between two end points. That is why IPsec SA
association establishment between end points is independent from
the policies on mapping routes to specific IPSec SA.
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If C-PEs need to establish WAN Port based IPsec SA, the
information encoded in Tunnel Path Attribute should only apply to
the WAN ports and should be independent of the clients' routes.
In addition, the SDWAN Tunnel (IPsec SA) may need to be
established before clients' routes are attached.
- C-PEs tend to communicate with a subset of the other C-PEs, not
all the C-PEs need to be connected through a mesh topology.
Therefore, the distribution of the SDWAN Overlay Edge WAN ports
information need be be scoped to the authorized peers.
4.3. SECURE-L3VPN/EVPN
[SECURE-L3VPN] describes how to extend the BGP/MPLS VPN [RFC4364]
capabilities to allow some PEs to connect to other PEs via public
networks. [SECURE-L3VPN] introduces the concept of Red Interface &
Black Interface used by PEs, where the RED interfaces are used to
forward traffic into the VPN, and the Black Interfaces are used
between WAN ports through which only IPsec-protected packets are
forwarded to the Internet or to other backbone network thereby
eliminating the need for MPLS transport in the backbone.
[SECURE-L3VPN] assumes PEs using MPLS over IPsec when sending
traffic through the Black Interfaces.
[SECURE-EVPN] describes a solution where point-to-multipoint BGP
signaling is used in the control plane for the SDWAN Scenario #1
described in [BGP-SDWAN-Usage]. It relies upon a BGP cluster design
to facilitate the key and policy exchange among PE devices to create
private pair-wise IPsec Security Associations without IKEv2 point-
to-point signaling or any other direct peer-to-peer session
establishment messages.
Both [SECURE-L3VPN] and [SECURE-EVPN] are useful, however, they both
miss the aspects of aggregating VPN and Internet underlays. In
summary:
- Both documents assume a client traffic is either forwarded all
encrypted through an IPsec tunnel, or not encrypted at all through
a different tunnel regardless which WAN ports the traffic egress
the PEs towards WAN. In SDWAN, one client traffic can be forwarded
encrypted at one time through a WAN port towards untrusted network
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and be forwarded unencrypted at different time through a WAN port
to MPLS VPN.
- The [SECURE-L3VPN] assumes that a CPE "registers" with the RR.
However, it does not say how. It assumes that the remote CPEs are
pre-configured with the IPsec SA manually. In SDWAN, Zero Touch
Provisioning is expected. Manual configuration is not an option,
especially for the edge devices that are deployed in faraway
places.
- The [SECURE-L3VPN] assumes that C-PEs and RR are connected via an
IPsec tunnel. Missing TLS/DTLS. The following assumption by
[SECURE-L3VPN] becomes invalid for SDWAN environment where
automatic synchronization of IPsec SA between C-PEs and RR is
needed:
A CPE must also be provisioned with whatever additional
information is needed in order to set up an IPsec SA with
each of the red RRs
- IPsec requires periodic refreshment of the keys. The draft does
not provide any information about how to synchronize the
refreshment among multiple nodes.
- IPsec usually sends configuration parameters to two endpoints only
and lets these endpoints negotiate the key. The [SECURE-L3VPN]
assumes that the RR is responsible for creating/managing the key
for all endpoints. When one endpoint is compromised, all other
connections will be impacted.
4.4. Preventing attacks from Internet-facing ports
When C-PEs have Internet-facing ports, additional security risks are
raised.
To mitigate security risks, in addition to requiring Anti-DDoS
features on C-PEs, it is necessary for C-PEs to support means to
determine whether traffic sent by remote peers is legitimate to
prevent spoofing attacks.
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5. C-PEs not directly connected to VPN PEs
Because of the ephemeral property of the selected Cloud DCs for
specific workloads/Apps, an enterprise or its network service
provider may not have direct physical connections to the Cloud DCs
that are optimal for hosting the enterprise's specific
workloads/Apps. Under those circumstances, SDWAN Overlay is a very
flexible choice to interconnect the enterprise on-premises data
centers & branch offices to its desired Cloud DCs.
However, SDWAN paths established over the public Internet can have
unpredictable performance, especially over long distances and across
operators' domains. Therefore, it is highly desirable to steer as
much as possible the portion of SDWAN paths over the enterprise's
existing VPN that has guaranteed SLA to minimize the distance or the
number of segments over the public Internet.
MEF Cloud Service Architecture [MEF-Cloud] also describes a use case
of network operators using SDWAN over LTE or the public Internet for
last mile access where the VPN service providers cannot necessarily
provide the required physical infrastructure.
Under those scenarios, one or two of the SDWAN endpoints may not be
directly attached to the PEs of a VPN Domain.
When using SDWAN to connect the enterprise's existing sites to the
workloads hosted in Cloud DCs w, the corresponding C-PEs have to be
upgraded to support SDWAN. If the workloads hosted in Cloud DCs
need to be connected to many sites, the upgrade process can be very
expensive.
[Net2Cloud-Problem] describes a hybrid network approach that
integrates SDWAN with traditional MPLS-based VPNs, to extend the
existing MPLS-based VPNs to the Cloud DC Workloads over the access
paths that are not under the VPN provider's control. To make it work
properly, a small number of the PEs of the MPLS VPN can be
designated to connect to the remote workloads via SDWAN secure IPsec
tunnels. Those designated PEs are shown as fPE (floating PE or
smart PE) in Figure 3. Once the secure IPsec tunnels are
established, the workloads hosted in Cloud DCs can be reached by the
enterprise's VPN without upgrading all of the enterprise's existing
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CPEs. The only CPE that needs to support SDWAN would be a
virtualized CPE instantiated within the cloud DC.
+--------+ +--------+
| Host-a +--+ +----| Host-b |
| | | (') | |
+--------+ | +-----------+ ( ) +--------+
| +-+--+ ++-+ ++-+ +--+-+ (_)
| | CPE|--|PE| |PE+--+ CPE| |
+--| | | | | | | |---+
+-+--+ ++-+ ++-+ +----+
/ | |
/ | MPLS +-+---+ +--+-++--------+
+------+-+ | Network |fPE-1| |CPE || Host |
| Host | | | |- --| || d |
| c | +-----+ +-+---+ +--+-++--------+
+--------+ |fPE-2|-----+
+---+-+ (|)
(|) (|) SDWAN
(|) (|) over any access
+=\======+=========+
// \ | Cloud DC \\
// \ ++-----+ \\
+Remote|
| CPE |
+-+----+
----+-------+-------+-----
| |
+---+----+ +---+----+
| Remote | | Remote |
| App-1 | | App-2 |
+--------+ +--------+
Figure 3: VPN Extension to Cloud DC
In Figure 3, the optimal Cloud DC to host the workloads (as a
function of the proximity, capacity, pricing, or other criteria
chosen by the enterprises) does not have a direct connection to the
PEs of the MPLS VPN that interconnects the enterprise's existing
sites.
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5.1. Floating PEs to connect to Remote CPEs
To extend MPLS VPNs to remote CPEs, it is necessary to establish
secure tunnels (such as IPsec tunnels) between the Floating PEs and
the remote CPEs.
Even though a set of PEs can be manually selected to act as the
floating PEs for a specific cloud data center, there are no standard
protocols for those PEs to interact with the remote CPEs (most
likely virtualized) instantiated in the third party cloud data
centers (such as exchanging performance or route information).
When there is more than one fPE available for use (as there should
be for resiliency purposes or the ability to support multiple cloud
DCs geographically scattered), it is not straightforward to
designate an egress fPE to remote CPEs based on applications. There
is too much applications' traffic traversing PEs, and it is not
feasible for PEs to recognize applications from the payload of
packets.
5.2. NAT Traversal
Cloud DCs that only assign private IPv4 addresses to the
instantiated workloads assume that traffic to/from the workload
usually needs to traverse NATs.
A SDWAN edge node can solicit a STUN (Session Traversal of UDP
Through Network Address Translation RFC 3489) Server to get the NAT
property, the public IP address and the Public Port number so that
such information can be communicated to the relevant peers.
5.3. Complexity of using BGP between PEs and remote CPEs via Internet
Even though an EBGP (external BGP) Multi-hop design can be used to
connect peers that are not directly connected to each other, there
are still some complications in extending BGP from MPLS VPN PEs to
remote CPEs via any access path (e.g., Internet).
The path between the remote CPEs and VPN PEs that maintain VPN
routes may very well traverse untrusted nodes.
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EBGP Multi-hop design requires static configuration on both peers.
To use EBGP between a PE and remote CPEs, the PE has to be manually
configured with the "next-hop" set to the IP address of the CPEs.
When remote CPEs, especially remote virtualized CPEs are dynamically
instantiated or removed, the configuration of Multi-Hop EBGP on the
PE has to be changed accordingly.
Egress peering engineering (EPE) is not sufficient. Running BGP on
virtualized CPEs in Cloud DCs requires GRE tunnels to be
established first, which requires the remote CPEs to support
address and key management capabilities. RFC 7024 (Virtual Hub &
Spoke) and Hierarchical VPN do not support the required
properties.
Also, there is a need for a mechanism to automatically trigger
configuration changes on PEs when remote CPEs' are instantiated or
moved (leading to an IP address change) or deleted.
EBGP Multi-hop design does not include a security mechanism by
default. The PE and remote CPEs need secure communication channels
when connecting via the public Internet.
Remote CPEs, if instantiated in Cloud DCs, might have to traverse
NATs to reach PEs. It is not clear how BGP can be used between
devices located beyond the NAT and the devices located behind the
NAT. It is not clear how to configure the Next Hop on the PEs to
reach private IPv4 addresses.
5.4. Designated Forwarder to the remote edges
Among the multiple floating PEs that are reachable from a remote
CPE, multicast traffic sent by the remote CPE towards the MPLS VPN
can be forwarded back to the remote CPE due to the PE receiving the
multicast packets forwarding the multicast/broadcast frame to other
PEs that in turn send to all attached CPEs. This process may cause
traffic loops.
Therefore, it is necessary to designate one floating PE as the CPE's
Designated Forwarder, similar to TRILL's Appointed Forwarders
[RFC6325].
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MPLS VPNs do not have features like TRILL's Appointed Forwarders.
5.5. Traffic Path Management
When there are multiple floating PEs that have established IPsec
tunnels with the remote CPE, the remote CPE can forward outbound
traffic to the Designated Forwarder PE, which in turn forwards
traffic to egress PEs and then to the final destinations. However,
it is not straightforward for the egress PE to send back the return
traffic to the Designated Forwarder PE.
Example of Return Path management using Figure 3 above.
- fPE-1 is DF for communication between App-1 <-> Host-a due to
latency, pricing or other criteria.
- fPE-2 is DF for communication between App-1 <-> Host-b.
6. Manageability Considerations
Zero touch provisioning of SDWAN edge nodes should be a major
feature of SDWAN deployments. It is necessary for a newly powered
up SDWAN edge node to establish a secure connection (by means of
TLS, DTLS, etc.) with its controller.
7. Security Considerations
The intention of this draft is to identify the gaps in current and
proposed SDWAN approaches that can address requirements identified
in [Net2Cloud-problem].
Several of these approaches have gaps in meeting enterprise
security requirements when tunneling their traffic over the
Internet, since this is the purpose of SDWAN. See the individual
sections above for further discussion of these security gaps.
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8. IANA Considerations
This document requires no IANA actions. RFC Editor: Please remove
this section before publication.
9. References
9.1. Normative References
[RFC2119] Bradner, S., "Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate
Requirement Levels", BCP 14, RFC 2119, March 1997.
9.2. Informative References
[RFC8192] S. Hares, et al, "Interface to Network Security Functions
(I2NSF) Problem Statement and Use Cases", July 2017
[RFC5521] P. Mohapatra, E. Rosen, "The BGP Encapsulation Subsequent
Address Family Identifier (SAFI) and the BGP Tunnel
Encapsulation Attribute", April 2009.
[BGP-SDWAN-PORT]L. Dunbar, et al, "Subsequent Address Family
Indicator for SDWAN Ports", draft-dunbar-idr-sdwan-port-
safi-00, Work-in-progress, March 2019.
[BGP-SDWAN-Usage] L. Dunbar, et al, "Framework of Using BGP for
SDWAN Overlay Networks", draft-dunbar-idr-sdwan-framework-
00, work-in-progress, Feb 2019.
[Tunnel-Encap]E. Rosen, et al, "The BGP Tunnel Encapsulation
Attribute", draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-10, July 2018.
[SECURE-EVPN A. Sajassi, et al, draft-sajassi-bess-secure-evpn-01,
work in progress, March 2019.
[SECURE-L3VPN] E. Rosen, "Provide Secure Layer L3VPNs over Public
Infrastructure", draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00, work-
in-progress, July 2018
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[DMVPN] Dynamic Multi-point VPN:
https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/security/dynamic-
multipoint-vpn-dmvpn/index.html
[DSVPN] Dynamic Smart VPN:
http://forum.huawei.com/enterprise/en/thread-390771-1-
1.html
[ITU-T-X1036] ITU-T Recommendation X.1036, "Framework for creation,
storage, distribution and enforcement of policies for
network security", Nov 2007.
[Net2Cloud-Problem] L. Dunbar and A. Malis, "Seamless Interconnect
Underlay to Cloud Overlay Problem Statement", draft-dm-
net2cloud-problem-statement-02, June 2018
10. Acknowledgments
Acknowledgements to John Drake for his review and contributions.
Many thanks to John Scudder for stimulating the clarification
discussion on the Tunnel-Encap draft so that our gap analysis can be
more accurate.
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Authors' Addresses
Linda Dunbar
Futurewei
Email: ldunbar@futurewei.com
Andrew G. Malis
Independent
Email: agmalis@gmail.com
Christian Jacquenet
Orange
Rennes, 35000
France
Email: Christian.jacquenet@orange.com
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