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The IEEE 802 / IETF Relationship
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draft-iab-rfc4441rev-03
Internet Architecture Board                              S. Dawkins, Ed.
Internet-Draft                                                    Huawei
Obsoletes: 4441 (if approved)                                  P. Thaler
Intended status: Informational                                  Broadcom
Expires: August 23, 2013                                    D. Romascanu
                                                                   AVAYA
                                                       February 19, 2013

                    The IEEE 802 / IETF Relationship
                      draft-iab-rfc4441rev-03.txt

Abstract

   This document describes the standardization collaboration between
   Project 802 of the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers
   (IEEE) and the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF).  This document
   obsoletes RFC 4441.

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Table of Contents

   1.  Introduction and Scope . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  4
   2.  Why Cooperate? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  4
   3.  Guidance on Collaboration  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  4
     3.1.  Organization, Participation and Membership . . . . . . . .  5
       3.1.1.  IEEE 802 Organization, Participation and Membership  .  5
       3.1.2.  IETF Organization, Participation and Membership  . . .  7
       3.1.3.  Cultural Differences . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  8
     3.2.  Exchange of Information About Work Items . . . . . . . . . 10
       3.2.1.  How IEEE 802 is informed about active IETF work
               items  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10
       3.2.2.  How IETF is informed about active IEEE 802 work
               items  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10
       3.2.3.  How IEEE 802 is informed about proposed new IETF
               work items . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11
       3.2.4.  How IETF is informed about proposed new IEEE 802
               work items . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12
       3.2.5.  Other Mechanisms for Coordination  . . . . . . . . . . 12
     3.3.  Document Access  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13
       3.3.1.  IEEE 802 Documentation System  . . . . . . . . . . . . 13
       3.3.2.  Access to IETF Documents . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15
     3.4.  Participation in Document Review and Approval  . . . . . . 16
       3.4.1.  IEEE 802 draft review and balloting processes and
               opportunities for IETF participation . . . . . . . . . 16
       3.4.2.  IETF draft review and balloting processes and
               opportunities for IEEE 802 participation . . . . . . . 18
     3.5.  Expert Review Processes  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18
     3.6.  Liaison Managers and Liaison Statements  . . . . . . . . . 19
       3.6.1.  Liaison Managers . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 19
       3.6.2.  Liaison Statements . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 19
   4.  Mailing Lists  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 20
   5.  Cross-Referencing Documents in IEEE 802 and IETF . . . . . . . 20
   6.  Protocol Parameter Allocation  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 21
     6.1.  IANA . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 21
     6.2.  IEEE Registration Authority  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 21
     6.3.  IEEE 802 Registration at IEEE 802 working group level  . . 22
   7.  IANA Considerations  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 23
   8.  Security Considerations  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 23
   9.  Acknowledgements . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 23
   10. References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 23
     10.1. Normative References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 23
     10.2. Informative References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24
   Appendix A.  Current examples of this relationship . . . . . . . . 24
     A.1.  MIB Review . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24
   Appendix B.  Pointers to Additional Useful Information . . . . . . 25
     B.1.  IEEE 802 Information that may be useful to IETF
           participants . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 25

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     B.2.  IETF Information that may be of use to IEEE 802
           participants . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 25
   Authors' Addresses . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 26

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1.  Introduction and Scope

   This document contains a set of principles and guidelines that serves
   as the basis for establishing collaboration between Project 802 of
   the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE 802) and
   the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) of the Internet Society
   (ISOC), with the objective of securing timely development of
   technical specification that facilitate maximum interoperability with
   existing (fixed and mobile) Internet systems, devices, and protocols.
   Each organization will operate according to their own rules and
   procedures including rules governing IPR policy, specification
   elaboration, approval and maintenance.

   This document is non-normative, and is intended to improve practices
   for cooperation between the two organizations that are already in
   place.

2.  Why Cooperate?

   Cooperation between independent standards organization comes at a
   price, so the benefits of cooperation must outweigh the costs.

   The IETF benefits from cooperation by obtaining improved access to
   IEEE 802 expertise on the widely-deployed and widely-used IEEE 802
   Local Area Network architecture [ARCH802].

   IEEE 802 benefits from cooperation by obtaining improved access to
   IETF expertise on IP datagram encapsulation, routing, transport,
   security, and specific applications of interest to IEEE 802.

   One of the primary drivers for [RFC4441] was to allow effective
   collaboration between IEEE 802 and the IETF during a time where
   downward pressure on travel budgets was making it increasingly
   difficult for the same participants to attend face-to-face meetings
   in both organizations.  That pressure has continued in the
   intervening years.

   Early identification of topics of mutual interest allows the two
   organizations to cooperate in a productive way, and helps each
   organization avoid developing specifications that overlap or conflict
   with specifications developed in the other organization.

3.  Guidance on Collaboration

   This section describes how existing processes within the IETF and
   IEEE 802 may be used to enable collaboration between the

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   organizations.

3.1.  Organization, Participation and Membership

   IEEE 802 and IETF are similar in some ways, but different in others.
   When working on projects that are of interest to both organizations,
   it's important to understand these similarities and differences.

3.1.1.  IEEE 802 Organization, Participation and Membership

   The IEEE Standards Association (IEEE-SA) is the standards setting
   body of the IEEE.  The IEEE-SA Standards Board oversees the IEEE
   standards development process.

   The IEEE-SA Standards Board supervises what IEEE calls "sponsors" -
   IEEE entities that develop standards.  The IEEE 802 LAN/MAN Standards
   Committee is a sponsor that develops standards for networking.

   In IEEE 802, work is done in Working Groups operating under an
   Executive Committee.  Most Working Groups have one or more Task
   Groups.  A Task Group is responsible for a project or group of
   projects.  Each Working Group is led by a Working Group Chair.

   The Executive Committee is comprised of the Executive Committee
   Chair, Executive Committee Officers (e.g.  Vice-Chairs, Secretaries,
   Treasurer) and Working Group Chairs.

   A good place to to learn more is the IEEE 802 Home Page, at
   http://www.ieee802.org/.  An IEEE 802 Orientation for new
   participants that gives an overview of IEEE 802 process is available
   from the home page.

   The IEEE 802 Executive Committee and all Working Groups meet three
   times per year at plenary sessions.  Plenary sessions are held in
   March, July and November.  Most Working Groups hold interim meetings,
   usually in January, April and September.  The meeting schedule can be
   found at http://www.IEEE802.org/meeting/index.html.

   A Study Group is a group formed to consider starting a new project
   and, if new work is found to be suitable, to develop an IEEE Project
   Authorization Request (PAR - similar in purpose to an IETF working
   group charter).  A Study Group may operate under a Working Group or
   under the Executive Committee depending on whether the new work under
   consideration falls within the scope of an existing Working Group.
   Study Groups are expected to exist for a limited time, usually for
   one or two plenary cycles, and must be authorized to continue at each
   plenary if they have not completed their work.

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   Participation in IEEE 802 Working Groups is at the level of
   individuals, i.e. participants are human beings and not companies,
   and is open.  Individuals are required to declare their affiliation
   (i.e. any individual or entity that financially or materially
   supports the individual's participation in IEEE 802).

   Working Groups maintain membership rosters, with voting membership
   attained on the basis of in-person meeting attendance.  Retention of
   voting membership generally requires continued attendance and
   responsiveness to letter ballots.  Voting membership allows one to
   vote on motions and on Working Group Ballots of drafts.  All drafts
   are also balloted by a Sponsor Ballot pool before approval as
   standards.  Joining a Sponsor Ballot pool does not require
   participation in meetings.  One does not need to be a voter to
   comment on drafts and the Working Group is required to consider and
   respond to all comments submitted during Working Group and Sponsor
   ballots.

   To foster ongoing communication between IEEE 802 and IETF, it is
   important to identify and establish contact points within each
   organization.  Contact points on the IEEE 802 side may include:

   IEEE 802 Working Group Chair:  An IEEE 802 Working Group chair is an
             individual who is assigned to lead the work of IEEE 802 in
             a particular area.  IEEE 802 Working Group chairs are
             elected by the Working Group and confirmed by the Executive
             Committee for a 2 year term.  Collaboration here provides a
             stable contact point for work between the two organizations
             for a given topic.
   IEEE 802 Task Group (or Task Force) Chair:  An IEEE 802 Task Group
             chair is an individual who is assigned to lead the work on
             a specific project or group of projects within a Working
             Group.  Task Group Chairs often serve for the duration of a
             project.  Collaboration here is beneficial to ensure that
             work on a particular project is coordinated.
   IEEE 802 Study Group Chair:  An IEEE 802 Study Group Chair is an
             individual assigned to lead consideration of new work and
             development of an IEEE 802 Project Authorization Request
             (PAR).  Collaboration here provides input on the scope of
             new work and to begin coordination.
   IEEE 802 Liaisons:  It may be beneficial to establish liaisons as
             additional contact points for specific topics of mutual
             interest.  These contact points should be established early
             in the work effort.  The IEEE 802 and IETF projects may
             select the same individual as their contact point, but this
             is not required, so that two individuals each serve as
             contact points for one project participating in the liaison
             relationship.

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   Informal Contact points:  Other informal contacts can provide useful
             collaboration points.  These include project editors who
             are responsible for editing the drafts and work with the
             Task Group Chairs to lead tracking and resolution of
             issues.  Joint members who are active in both the IEEE 802
             and IETF projects in an area can also aid in collaboration.

3.1.2.  IETF Organization, Participation and Membership

   In the IETF, work is done in working groups (WGs), mostly through
   open, public mailing lists rather than face-to-face meetings.  WGs
   are organized into areas, each area being managed by two co-area
   directors.  Collectively, the area directors comprise the Internet
   Engineering Steering Group (IESG).

   IETF meets in plenary session three times per year.  Some working
   groups have additional interim meetings, which may be either face-to-
   face or "virtual", but this is not true for most IETF working groups,
   at any given time.  The preferred way to develop specifications is to
   do work on mailing lists, reserving face-to-face sessions for topics
   that have not been resolved through previous mailing list discussion.
   Information about IETF plenary meetings is available at
   http://www.ietf.org/meeting/upcoming.html.  Information about IETF
   working group interim meetings is available on the IETF-Announce
   mailing list (see http://www.ietf.org/list/announcement.html for
   archives and subscription information).

   The IETF Standards Process is defined in [BCP9].  The IETF working
   group process is defined in [BCP25].

   Participation in the IETF is open to anyone (technically, anyone with
   access to e-mail sufficient to allow subscription to one or more IETF
   mailing lists).  All IETF participants act as individuals.  There are
   a small number of IETF procedures that recognize organizations that
   may sponsor IETF participants, but these are organizational and do
   not apply to the standard specification process itself.  There is no
   concept of "IETF membership".

   To foster ongoing communication between IEEE 802 and IETF, it is
   important to identify and establish contact points within each
   organization.  Contact points on the IETF side may include:

   IETF Area Director:  An IETF area director is the individual
             responsible for overseeing a major focus of activity (an
             "Area").  These positions are relatively long- term (of
             several years) and offer the stability of contact points
             between the two organizations for a given topic.

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   IETF Working Group Chair:  An IETF working group chair is an
             individual who is assigned to lead the work on a specific
             task within one particular area.  These positions are
             working positions (of a year or more) that typically end
             when the work on a specific topic ends.  Collaboration here
             is very beneficial to ensure that the actual work gets
             done.
   Other Contact Points:  It may be beneficial to establish additional
             contact points for specific topics of mutual interest.
             These contact points should be established early in the
             work effort, and in some cases the contact point identified
             by each organization may be the same individual.

   We cannot emphasize too much that the IETF is a "bottom-up" protocol
   engineering organization - the leadership steers and manages, but
   does not direct work in a top-down way.  This means that agreements
   with "the IETF" must be based on the consensus of working group
   participants, not negotiated through IETF leadership.

   A good place to to learn more is the IETF Home Page, at
   http://www.ietf.org/, and especially the "About the IETF" page at
   http://www.ietf.org/about, selectable from the IETF Home Page.

   Note: The current list of IETF area directors and working group
   chairs can be found in the IETF working group charters, at
   http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/.

3.1.3.  Cultural Differences

   It's worth noting that IEEE 802 and IETF have cultures that are
   similar, but not identical.  Some of the differences include:

   IEEE 802 Working Groups and IETF Working Groups:  Both IEEE 802 and
             IETF use the term "Working group", but "working groups"
             means two very different things in the two organizations.
             IEEE 802 working groups are large, long-lived, and
             relatively broadly scoped.  IEEE 802 working groups are
             more similar to IETF Areas than to IETF working groups,
             which tend to be short-lived and narrowly chartered.
   Consensus and Rough Consensus:  Both organizations make decisions
             based on consensus, but in the IETF, "consensus" means
             "rough consensus".  In practice, this means that a large
             part of the community being asked needs to agree.  Not
             everyone has to agree, but if you disagree, you'll need to
             convince other people of your point of view.  If you're not
             able to do that, you'll be "in the rough" when "rough
             consensus" is declared.

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   Rough Consensus and Running Code:  David Clark coined the phrase "we
             believe in rough consensus and running code" in 1992, to
             explain IETF culture.  Although that's not always true
             today, the existence of "running code" as a proof of
             feasibility for a proposal often carries weight during
             technical discussions.  IEEE 802 standards may be less
             amenable to one-off implementation, whether as hardware or
             as software.
   Voting:   Both organizations use voting as a decision-making tool,
             but IEEE 802 uses voting within working groups, while IETF
             working groups do not.  Working group chairs may ask for a
             "show of hands" or "take a hum" to judge backing for a
             proposal, but IETF working groups don't vote.  The IESG
             does ballot documents when considering them for
             publication, but this balloting is a final approval for
             publication, making sure the process has been completed
             correctly.
   Balance between mailing lists and meetings:  Both organizations make
             use of mailing lists, but IETF working groups really can't
             get anything done without mailing lists, which is where
             work can continue between formal meetings.  The IETF
             requires all working group decisions to be made (or, often
             in practice, confirmed) on mailing lists - final decisions
             aren't made in meetings.  It's also worth noting that IETF
             working group sessions are much shorter than IEEE 802
             working group sessions - it's not unusual for an IETF
             working group to meet once or twice in a plenary meeting,
             for a maximum of two and a half hours per session.  Some
             working groups may not meet at all in plenary, and others
             may have a single one-hour session.
   Interim meetings:  Both organizations use interim meetings (between
             plenary meetings), but this is more common for IEEE 802
             working groups than for IETF working groups, which schedule
             interim meetings on an as-needed basis.  While the IETF
             interim meetings may be face-to-face or virtual, the IEEE
             802 interim meetings are face-to-face only.  Many IEEE 802
             WGs hold regularly interim meetings three times a year in
             the middle of the intervals between the Plenary meetings.
             The schedules and location of these meetings are typically
             known many months in advance.
   Remote participation:  Because the IETF doesn't make decisions at
             face-to-face meetings, it's not absolutely necessary to
             attend face-to-face meetings at all.  Some significant
             contributors don't attend most face-to-face IETF meetings,
             although if you want to find collaborators on a proposal
             for new work, or solicit backing for your ideas, you'll
             probably find that easier in a face-to-face conversation,
             often in a hallway and sometimes in a bar.  IEEE 802

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             significant contributors almost always attend face-to-face
             meetings.  Participation in IEEE 802 meetings is a
             condition for WG membership.
   Working group autonomy:  Both IEEE 802 and IETF allow working groups
             considerable autonomy (within the documented process) in
             getting chartered work done.  It's worth noting that there
             may be differences between two IEEE 802 working groups, or
             between two IETF working groups, in addition to differences
             between an IEEE 802 working group and an IETF working
             group.

3.2.  Exchange of Information About Work Items

   The following sections outline a process that can be used to enable
   each organization to stay informed about the other's active and
   proposed new work items.

3.2.1.  How IEEE 802 is informed about active IETF work items

   The responsibility is on individual IEEE 802 working groups to review
   the current IETF working groups to determine if there are any topics
   of mutual interest.  Working group charters and active Internet-
   Drafts can be found on the IETF web site
   (http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/).  If an IEEE 802 working group
   identifies a common area of work, the IEEE 802 working group
   leadership should contact both the IETF working group chair and the
   area director(s) responsible.  This may be accompanied by a formal
   liaison statement (see Section 3.6.2).

3.2.2.  How IETF is informed about active IEEE 802 work items

   IEEE 802 Working Group status reports are published at the beginning
   and end of each plenary at http://IEEE802.org/minutes on the IEEE 802
   website.  Each Working Group includes a list of their active projects
   and the status.

   The charter of an IEEE 802 project is defined in an approved Project
   Authorization Request (PAR).  PARs are accessible in IEEE Standards
   myProject, at https://development.standards.ieee.org/my-site.  Access
   requires an IEEE web account which is free and has no membership
   requirement.

   In myProject, a search on "View Active PARs" for 802 will bring up a
   list of all active IEEE 802 PARs.

   The responsibility is on individual IETF working groups to
   periodically review the information on the IEEE 802 web site to
   determine if there is work in progress of mutual interest.

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   If an IETF working group identifies a common area of work or a need
   for coordination, the working group leadership should contact the
   IEEE 802 Working Group chair and Task Group chair.  This may be
   accompanied by a formal liaison statement (see Section 3.6.2).

3.2.3.  How IEEE 802 is informed about proposed new IETF work items

   The IETF maintains a mailing list for the distribution of proposed
   new work items among standards development organizations.  Many such
   items can be identified in proposed Birds-of-a-Feather (BOF)
   sessions, as well as draft charters for working groups.  The IETF
   forwards all such draft charters for all new and revised working
   groups and BOF session announcements to the IETF new-work mailing
   list.  An IEEE 802 mailing list is subscribed to this list.
   Leadership of the IEEE 802 working groups may subscribe to this IEEE
   802 mailing list, which is maintained by the Executive Committee
   (EC).

   Each IEEE 802 Working Group will delegate at least one expert to
   subscribe to this list and be ready to dispatch any information
   relevant for their activity.  This will enable the IEEE 802 working
   groups to monitor the new work items for possible overlap or interest
   to their IEEE 802 working group.  It is expected that this mailing
   list will see a few messages per month.

   Each IEEE 802 working group chair, or designated representative, may
   provide comments on these charters by responding to the IESG mailing
   list at iesg@ietf.org clearly indicating their IEEE 802 position and
   the nature of their concern.  Plain-text email is preferred on the
   IESG mailing list.

   It should be noted that the IETF turnaround time for new working
   group charters can be as short as two weeks, although the call for
   comment period on work items that may require coordination with IEEE
   802 can be extended to allow more time for discussion within IEEE
   802.  This places a burden on both organizations to proactively
   communicate and avoid "late surprises" to either organization.

   The IETF Announce mailing list should be monitored consistently.  In
   addition, proposed IETF work items that require coordination may be
   brought directly to the attention of IEEE 802 working group chairs.

   Although the IEEE 802 working group may not be able to develop a
   formal consensus response unless the notification arrives during that
   working group's meeting, the IEEE 802 working group chair can
   informally let the IETF know that IEEE 802 may have concerns about a
   proposed work item.  The IETF will consider any comments received
   without waiting for a formal liaison statement, and can respond to

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   this informal feedback appropriately.

3.2.4.  How IETF is informed about proposed new IEEE 802 work items

   An IEEE 802 project is initiated by approval of a Project
   Authorization Request (PAR) which includes a description of the scope
   of the work.  Any IEEE 802 PARs which introduce new functionality are
   required to be available for review no less than 30 days prior to the
   Monday of the IEEE 802 plenary session where they will be considered.

   IEEE 802 considers Five Criteria when deciding whether to approve new
   work: Broad Market Potential, Compatibility, Distinct Identity,
   Technical Feasibility and Economic Feasibility.  The criteria are
   defined in the IEEE 802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC) Operations
   Manual.  The PARs are accompanied by responses on the 5 Criteria.

   Each Area Director shall ensure that at least one person is
   designated to periodically review relevant PAR and 5 Criteria
   information to determine if there is proposed work of mutual
   interest.

   Any comments on proposed PARs should be submitted to the Working
   Group chair and copied to the Executive Committee chair by e-mail not
   later than 5:00 PM Tuesday of the plenary session (in the time zone
   where the plenary is located).

3.2.5.  Other Mechanisms for Coordination

   From time to time, IEEE 802 and IETF may agree to use additional
   mechanisms for coordination between the two groups.

   As examples of such mechanisms, the two organizations are holding
   periodic conference calls between representatives of the IETF and
   IEEE 802 leadership teams, and are maintaining a "living list" of
   shared interests between the two organizations, along with the status
   of these interests and any related action items.  At the time this
   document was written, the "living list" included about 20 topics
   being actively discussed, with more expected.  These conference calls
   help the two organizations coordinate more effectively by allowing
   higher-bandwidth discussions than formal liaison statements would
   allow, and permitting more timely interactions than waiting for face-
   to-face meetings.

   Minutes for these conference calls, and the "living lists" discussed
   on each call, are available at http://www.iab.org/activities/
   joint-activities/iab-ieee-coordination/.

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3.3.  Document Access

   During the course of IEEE 802 and IETF collaboration, it is important
   to share internal documents among the technical working groups.  In
   addition, draft standards, Internet Drafts, and RFCs may also be
   distributed.

3.3.1.  IEEE 802 Documentation System

   Each IEEE 802 standardization project is assigned to a Working Group
   (WG) for development.  In IEEE 802, the working methods of the WGs
   vary in detail.  The documentation system is one area in which WG
   operations differ, based on varying needs and traditions.  In some
   cases, the WGs assign the core development to a subgroup (typically
   known as a Task Group or Task Force), and the documentation
   procedures may vary among the subgroups as well.  Prior to project
   authorization, or on topics not directly related to development of a
   standard, the WG may consider and develop documents itself, or using
   other subgroups (standing committees, ad hocs, etc.).

   IEEE 802 also supports Technical Advisory Groups (TAGs) that conduct
   business and develop documents, although not standards.  References
   here to WGs apply to TAGs as well.

   In addition to allowing IETF participants to access documentation
   resources within IEEE 802, IEEE 802 can also make selected IEEE 802
   documents at any stage of development available to the IETF by
   attaching them to a formal liaison statement.  Although a
   communication can point to a URL where a non-ASCII document (e.g.,
   Word) can be downloaded, attachments in proprietary formats to an
   IETF mailing list are discouraged.

3.3.1.1.  The role of the IEEE 802 Documentation System in document
          development

   In general, development of standards in IEEE 802 is contribution-
   driven.  Content toward draft standards is submitted to WGs by
   individual participants, or groups of participants.  Content toward
   other group documents (such as, for example, external communication
   statements or foundation documents underlying a draft standard) might
   also be contribution-driven.  At some point, the group assembles
   contributed material to develop group documents, and revision takes
   place within group meetings or by assignment to editors.  For the
   most part, the contributions toward discussion as well as the group
   documents (including minutes and other reports) are openly available
   to the public.

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3.3.1.2.  Access to internal IEEE 802 Working Group Documents

   Generally, the archives of minutes and contributions to IEEE 802
   groups are publically and freely available.

   Many IEEE 802 groups use a documentation system provided by IEEE and
   known as "Mentor".  The list of these groups is available at the IEEE
   802 Mentor Home Page: https://mentor.ieee.org/802".  Mentor provides:

   1.  The documentation system is structured and ordered, with
       documentation tags and unique numbering and revisioning.
   2.  On-line documentation is available.
   3.  Limited search functionality is provided, and publicly-available
       search engines index the data.
   4.  The ability to submit documents to Mentor is limited but is
       generally available to any interested party.  An IEEE web account
       is required but can be easily and freely established using the
       IEEE Account Request page, at
       http://www.ieee.org/go/create_web_account.  If submission is
       protected, the privilege can be requested via the Mentor system
       (using the "Join group" link on each WG Mentor page) and would
       typically be granted by the WG documentation manager in a manual
       approval.
   5.  Submitted documents are immediately available to the general
       public at the same instant they become available for
       consideration by the group.

   IEEE 802.1 and IEEE 802.3 do not use Mentor.

   IEEE 802.1 documents are organized in folders by year at:
   http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/ The file names indicate the
   relevant project, author, date and version.  The file naming
   conventions and upload link are at:
   http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/.  Upload is moderated.

   IEEE 802.3 documents are accessed from the home pages of the IEEE
   802.3 subgroups (i.e.  Task Force or Study Group) and are organized
   in folders by meeting date.  Files are uploaded by emailing to the
   subgroup chair.

3.3.1.3.  Submission of Contributions to IEEE 802 Working Groups

   IEEE 802 Working Groups are open to contributions.  In many cases, a
   WG or subgroup will issue a call for contributions with a specific
   technical solicitation, including deadlines and submission
   instructions.  Some groups maintain specific submission procedures
   and specify a contribution cover sheet to clarify the status of the
   contribution.

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3.3.1.4.  Access to IEEE 802 Working Group Drafts

   The IEEE owns the copyright to draft standards developed within IEEE
   802 standardization projects.  As a result, such drafts are never
   made publicly available.  The IEEE-SA grants permission for an IEEE
   802 draft standard to be distributed without charge to the
   participants for that IEEE 802 standards development project.
   Typically, such distribution is on the Internet under password
   protection, with the password provided to members of the
   participating WG.  Requests to the relevent WG chair for access to a
   draft for purposes of participation in the project are typically
   granted.

   An alternative access mechanism which may more easily enable document
   access for IETF WGs collaborating with IEEE 802 was established by a
   liaison statement sent to the IETF in July 2004 by Paul Nikolich,
   Chair of IEEE 802 (available at
   https://datatracker.ietf.org/documents/LIAISON/file41.pdf),
   describing the process by which IETF WGs can obtain access to IEEE
   802 work-in-progress.  IEEE 802 WG Chairs have the authority to grant
   membership in their WGs, and can use this authority to grant
   membership to an IETF WG chair upon request.  The IETF WG chair will
   be provided with access to the username/password for the IEEE 802 WG
   archives, and is permitted to share that information with
   participants in the IETF WG.  Since it is possible to participate in
   IETF without attending meetings, or even joining a mailing list, IETF
   WG chairs will provide the information to anyone who requests it.
   However, since IEEE 802 work-in-progress is copyrighted,
   incorporating material into IETF documents or posting the username/
   password on mailing lists or websites is not permitted.

3.3.1.5.  Access to IEEE 802 Standards

   IEEE 802 standards, once approved, are published and made available
   for sale.  They can be purchased from the IEEE Standards Store, at
   http://www.techstreet.com/IEEEgate.html.  They are also available
   from other outlets, including the IEEE Xplore digital library, at
   http://IEEExplore.IEEE.org.

   The Get IEEE 802 program, at http://standards.ieee.org/about/get,
   grants public access to download individual IEEE 802 standards at no
   charge.  IEEE 802 standards are added to the Get IEEE 802 program six
   months after publication.

3.3.2.  Access to IETF Documents

   IETF Internet-Drafts may be located using IETF "Datatracker" inteface
   at https://datatracker.ietf.org, or via the IETF tools site at

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   http://tools.ietf.org.  RFCs may be located at either of the above,
   or at via the RFC Editor site at http://www.rfc-editor.org.

   It should be recognized that the official/athoritative versions of
   all IETF documents are in ASCII.

3.4.  Participation in Document Review and Approval

   During the course of IEEE 802 and IETF collaboration, it is important
   for technical experts to review documents of mutual interest and,
   when appropriate, to provide review comments to the approving body as
   the document moves through the approval process.

3.4.1.  IEEE 802 draft review and balloting processes and opportunities
        for IETF participation

   IEEE 802 drafts are reviewed and balloted at multiple stages in the
   draft.  Any ballot comments received from non-voters before the close
   of the ballot are required to be considered in the comment resolution
   process.  The Editors, Task Group Chairs or Working Group Chairs
   responsible for the project will facilitate the entering of comments
   from non-voters.

   IEEE 802 draft reviews and ballots sometimes produce a large volume
   of comments.  In order to handle them efficiently, spreadsheets or a
   comment database tool are used.  It is highly recommended that
   balloters and others submitting comments do so with a file that can
   be imported into these tools.  A file with the correct format is
   normally referenced in the ballot announcement or can be obtained
   from the Editor, Task Group Chair or Working Group Chair responsible
   for the project.  Comments on a draft should be copied to the Editor,
   Task Group Chair and Working Group Chair.

3.4.1.1.  Task Group Review

   During draft development, informal task group reviews (task group
   ballots) are conducted.  Though these are called "ballots" by some
   Working Groups, the focus is on collecting and resolving comments on
   the draft rather than on trying to achieve a specific voting result.

3.4.1.2.  Working Group ballot

   Once the draft is substantially complete, Working Group ballots are
   conducted.  Working Group voting members are entitled and required to
   vote in Working Group ballots.  Any disapprove votes are required to
   be accompanied by comments that indicate what the objection is and a
   proposed resolution.  Approve votes may also be accompanied by
   comments.  The comments submitted with a disapprove vote may be

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   marked to indicate which comments need to "be satisfied" to change
   the vote.

   Initial Working Group ballots are at least 30 days.  Recirculation
   ballots to review draft changes and comment resolutions are at least
   10 days.

   In order to submit a Working Group ballot, contact the WG chair for
   the submission tool currently in use, as the tools may change over
   time.

3.4.1.3.  Sponsor Ballot

   When a draft has successfully completed Working Group ballot, it
   proceeds to Sponsor ballot.  One may participate in IEEE 802 Sponsor
   Ballots with an individual membership in the IEEE Standards
   Association (IEEE-SA) or by paying a per-ballot fee.  Participants
   are also required to state their affiliation and the category of
   their relationship to the scope of the standards activity (e.g.
   producer, user, general interest).

   Information about IEEE-SA membership can be found at
   http://standards.ieee.org/membership/

   Sponsor ballot is a public review.  An invitation is sent to any
   parties known to be interested in the subject matter of the ballot.
   One can indicate interest in IEEE myProject
   (https://development.standards.ieee.org/myproject/bp/StartPage).  An
   IEEE web account is freely available, and is required for login.  To
   select interest areas, go to the Projects tab and select Manage
   Activity Profile and check any areas of interest.  IEEE 802 projects
   are under Computer Society; LAN/MAN Standards Committee.

   The Sponsor Ballot pool is formed from those that accept the
   invitation during the invitation period.

   As with other ballot levels, the IETF participants who want to
   comment on Sponsor Ballots need not be members in the Sponsor Ballot
   pool.  The Editors, Task Group Chairs or Working Group Chairs
   responsible for the project will facilitate the entering of comments
   from IETF participants who are not members in the Sponsor Ballot
   pool.

   Any "disapprove" votes are required to be accompanied by comments
   that indicate what the objection is, along with a proposed
   resolution.  Approve votes may also be accompanied by comments.  The
   comments submitted with a disapprove vote may be marked to indicate
   which comments need to "be satisfied" for the commenter to change the

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   vote from "disapprove".

   Initial Sponsor ballot are open for at least 30 days.  Recirculation
   ballots to review draft changes and proposed comment resolutions are
   at least 10 days.

3.4.2.  IETF draft review and balloting processes and opportunities for
        IEEE 802 participation

   The IETF Working Group Process is defined in BCP-25.  The overall
   IETF standards process is defined in BCP-9.

   As noted in Section 3.1.3, IETF working groups do not "ballot", but
   the IESG does, as part of considering documents for approval.

   Technical contributions are welcome at any point in the IETF document
   review and approval process, but there are some points where
   contribution is more likely to be effective.

   1.  When a working group is considering adoption of an individual
       draft.  Adoption is often signaled on the working group's mailing
       list.
   2.  When a working group issues a "Working Group Last Call" ("WGLC")
       for a draft.  Although this is not a mandatory step in the
       document review and approval process for Internet-Drafts, most
       IETF working groups do issue WGLCs for most working group
       documents.  WGLC would be signaled on the working group's mailing
       list.
   3.  When the Internet Engineering Steering Group issues an "IETF Last
       Call" ("Last Call") for a draft.  This is similar in spirit to
       WGLC, but is a request for review and approval that is addressed
       to the larger IETF community.  IETF Last Call is signaled on the
       IETF-Announce Mailing List, and comments and feedback are
       ordinarily directed to the IETF Discussion Mailing List.

   In practice, earlier input is more likely to be effective input.
   IEEE 802 participants who are interested in work within the IETF
   should be monitoring that work and providing input long before
   Working Group Last Calls and IETF Last Calls, for best results.

   Some IETF working group charters direct the working group to
   communicate with relevant IEEE 802 task groups.

3.5.  Expert Review Processes

   With the number of areas of cooperation between IEEE 802 and IETF
   increasing, the document review process has extended beyond the
   traditional subjects of SMI MIB modules and AAA described in

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   [RFC4441].  The IESG members use expert reviews as a means to solicit
   the opinion of specialized experts on specific aspects of documents
   in IESG review (examples include security, MIB doctors, or congestion
   management reviews).  Area Directors may also require expert reviews
   from IEEE 802 or IEEE 802 Working Groups when it becomes clear that
   the Internet-Draft has implications for some area of IEEE 802's
   responsibility and expertise.

   IETF participants can comment as part of the IEEE 802 ballot process,
   regardless of their voting status within IEEE 802.  Comments must be
   composed in the format specified for the ballot, and submitted by the
   ballot deadline.

3.6.  Liaison Managers and Liaison Statements

   Both IEEE 802 and IETF work best when people participate directly in
   work of mutual interest, but that's not always possible, and
   individuals speaking as individuals may not provide effective
   communication between the two SDOs.  From time to time, it may be
   appropriate for a technical body in one SDO to communicate as a body
   with a technical body in the other SDO.  This section describes the
   mechanisms used to provide formal communication between the two
   organizations, should that become necessary.

   The Internet Architecture Board (IAB) is responsible for liaison
   relationship oversight for the IETF.

   The reader should note that the role of a liaison manager in both
   IEEE 802 and IETF is not to "speak for" the appointing organization.
   A liaison manager is most helpful in insuring that neither
   organization is surprised by what's happening in the other
   organization, helping to identify the right people to be talking to
   in each organization, and making sure that formal liaison statements
   don't "get lost" between the two organizations.  The IAB's guidance
   to liaison managers is available in [RFC4691].

3.6.1.  Liaison Managers

   The IAB appoints IETF Liaison Managers using the process described in
   [RFC4052].  The current list of the IETF's liaison relationships, and
   the liaison managers responsible for each of these relationships is
   available at http://www.ietf.org/liaison/managers.html.

3.6.2.  Liaison Statements

   The IEEE 802 procedure for sending and receiving liaison statements
   is defined by the Procedure for Coordination with Other Standards
   Bodies in the IEEE 802 LMSC Operations Manual

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   (http://ieee802.org/devdocs.shtml).

   The IETF process for sending and receiving liaison statements is
   defined in [RFC4053].

4.  Mailing Lists

   All IETF working groups and all IEEE 802 Working Groups have
   associated mailing lists.  Most IEEE 802 Task Groups also have
   mailing lists, but in some cases, e.g.the IEEE 802.1 Working Group,
   the Working Group mailing list is used for any Task Group matters.

   In the IETF, the mailing list is the primary vehicle for discussion
   and decision-making.  It is recommended that IEEE 802 experts
   interested in particular IETF working group topics subscribe to and
   participate in these lists.  IETF WG mailing lists are open to all
   subscribers.  The IETF working group mailing list subscription and
   archive information are noted in each working group's charter page.

   In IEEE 802, mailing lists are typically used for meeting logistics,
   ballot announcements, reports and some technical discussion.  Most
   decision making is at meetings, but in cases where a decision is
   needed between meetings, it may be done over the mailing list.  Most
   technical discussion occurs at meetings and by generating comments on
   drafts which are compiled with responses in comment resolution
   documents.

   Most IEEE 802 mailing lists are open to all subscribers.  For the few
   IEEE 802 mailing lists that are not open, please see the working
   group chair to arrange for access to the mailing list.

5.  Cross-Referencing Documents in IEEE 802 and IETF

   IETF and IEEE 802 each recognize the standards defined by the other
   and therefore do not have issues with cross-referencing each other's
   standards.

   IETF specifications may reference IEEE 802 work in progress, but
   these references would be labeled as "Work in Progress", and if the
   references are normative, this would block publication of the
   referring specification until the reference is available in a stable
   form.

   IEEE 802 standards may normatively reference non-expired Internet-
   Drafts, but IEEE 802 prefers that this should be avoided if at all
   possible.

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   Informative references in IEEE 802 Standards are placed in a
   bibliograpy, so may point to either approved IETF standards or IETF
   Internet-Drafts, if necessary.

   When an IEEE 802 Standard is revised, it normally retains the same
   number and the date is updated.  Therefore, IEEE 802 Standards are
   dated with the year of approval, e.g IEEE 802 Std 802.1Q-2011.  There
   are two ways of referencing IEEE 802 Standards: undated and dated
   references.  IEEE 802 practice allows undated reference to be used
   when referencing a whole standard.  An undated reference indicates
   that the most recent version of the standard should be used.  A dated
   reference refers to a specific revision of an IEEE 802 standard.
   Since clauses, subclauses, tables, figures, etc. may be renumbered
   when a standard is revised, a dated reference should be used when
   citing specific items in a standard.

6.  Protocol Parameter Allocation

   Both IEEE 802 and IETF maintain registries of assigned protocol
   parameters, and some protocol parameters assigned in one organization
   are of interest to the other organization.  This section describes
   the way each organization registers protocol parameters.

6.1.  IANA

   The IETF uses the Internet Assigned Numbering Authority (IANA) as a
   central authority that administers registries for protocol parameter
   allocations.  The overarching document describing this is [RFC5226].
   [RFC5342] discusses use of IEEE 802-specific IANA parameters in IETF
   protocols and specifies IANA considerations for allocation of code
   points under the IANA OUI (Organizationally Unique Identifier).

6.2.  IEEE Registration Authority

   The IEEE Standards Association uses the IEEE Registration Authority
   as a central authority administering registries.  The IEEE
   Registration Authority Committee (IEEE RAC) provides technical
   oversight for the IEEE Registration Authority.

   The list of Registries administered by the IEEE Registration
   Authority can be found on the IEEE RAC website, at
   http://standards.ieee.org/develop/regauth/general.html.  Some of the
   registries are:

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   OUI:      24-bit Organizationally Unique Identifiers
   OUI-36:   36-bit Organizationally Unique Identifiers
   EtherType Field:  Values for the EtherType Field to identify the
             protocol of an Ethernet data frame
   Standard Group MAC Address:  Assignment of a Group MAC Address where
             needed by a standard

   At the time of writing of this RFC, an OUI assignment can serve as an
   organization identifier (sometimes called a company_id) in various
   protocols such as the SNAP protocol as well as being used to form
   globally unique MAC Addresses and Bluetooth Device Addresses by
   concatenating it with 24 or 40 bits to create these 48-bit or 64-bit
   addresses, respectively.  The RAC is considering separating these two
   uses for future assignments for more efficient use since some
   assignees need only an organization identifier and some need only a
   block for creating addresses.

   EtherType Allocation - Some IETF protocol specification make use of
   Ethertypes.  Ethertypes are fairly scare resource so allocation has
   the following requirements.  All Ethertype requests are subject to
   review by a consultant to the IEEE RA followed by IEEE RAC
   confirmation.

   The IEEE RAC will not assign a new Ethertype to a new IETF protocol
   specification until the IESG has approved the protocol specification
   for publication as an RFC.  In exceptional cases, the IEEE RA is
   willing to consider "early allocation" of an Ethertype for an IETF
   protocol that is still under development as long as the request comes
   from, and has been vetted by, the IESG.

   To let the IEEE RAC know that the IESG has approved the request for
   an Ethernet assignment for an IETF protocol, all future requests for
   assignment of Ethertypes for IETF protocols will be made by the IESG.

   Note that "playpen" Ethertypes have been assigned in IEEE 802
   [Etypes] for use during protocol development and experimentation.

   While a fee is normally charged by the IEEE Registration Authority
   for the allocation of an EtherType, the IEEE RAC will consider
   waiving the fee for allocations.

6.3.  IEEE 802 Registration at IEEE 802 working group level

   Each IEEE 802 working group has registry of identifier values and a
   mechanism to allocate identifier values in its standards and approved
   amendments.  This includes items Object Identifiers for managed
   objects and assignment for protocols defined by that Working Group
   such as OpCodes.  Contact the IEEE 802 working group chair for the

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   details of a given working group registry.

7.  IANA Considerations

   This document requests no actions by IANA.

8.  Security Considerations

   Documents that describe cooperation procedures, like this one, have
   no direct Internet security implications.

9.  Acknowledgements

   This document borrows a significant amount of text, and much of its
   structure, from [RFC6756].  Additional text was borrowed from
   [RFC4441].  We are grateful to the authors and editors of both these
   predecessor documents.

   This document was assembled by a drafting team of participants from
   both IEEE 802 and IETF.  The drafting team members were Dan
   Romascanu, Dorothy Stanley, Eric Gray, Patricia Thaler, Roger Marks,
   Ross Callon, Spencer Dawkins, and Subir Das.

   We also thank Bernard Aboba and Jari Arkko for providing review
   comments.

10.  References

10.1.  Normative References

   [RFC4052]  Daigle, L. and Internet Architecture Board, "IAB Processes
              for Management of IETF Liaison Relationships", BCP 102,
              RFC 4052, April 2005.

   [RFC4053]  Trowbridge, S., Bradner, S., and F. Baker, "Procedures for
              Handling Liaison Statements to and from the IETF",
              BCP 103, RFC 4053, April 2005.

   [RFC4691]  Andersson, L., "Guidelines for Acting as an IETF Liaison
              to Another Organization", RFC 4691, October 2006.

   [RFC5226]  Narten, T. and H. Alvestrand, "Guidelines for Writing an
              IANA Considerations Section in RFCs", BCP 26, RFC 5226,
              May 2008.

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   [RFC5342]  Eastlake, D., "IANA Considerations and IETF Protocol Usage
              for IEEE 802 Parameters", BCP 141, RFC 5342,
              September 2008.

   [RFC6756]  Trowbridge, S., Lear, E., Fishman, G., and S. Bradner,
              "Internet Engineering Task Force and International
              Telecommunication Union - Telecommunication
              Standardization Sector Collaboration Guidelines",
              RFC 6756, September 2012.

10.2.  Informative References

   [ARCH802]  "IEEE 802-2001  (R2007) IEEE Standard for Local and
              Metropolitan Area Networks: Overview and Architecture",
              2007.

   [BCP25]    Internet Engineering Task Force, "Best Current Practice
              25: IETF Working Group Guidelines and Procedures, as
              updated".

   [BCP9]     Internet Engineering Task Force, "Best Current Practice 9:
              The Internet Standards Process -- Revision 3, as updated".

   [Etypes]   "IEEE 802 Std 802a-2003 (Amendment to IEEE 802 Std 802-
              2001). IEEE 802 standard for Local and Metropolitan Area
              Networks: Overview and Architecture -- Amendment 1:
              Ethertypes for Prototype and Vendor- Specific Protocol
              Development", 2003.

   [RFC4181]  Heard, C., "Guidelines for Authors and Reviewers of MIB
              Documents", BCP 111, RFC 4181, September 2005.

   [RFC4441]  Aboba, B., "The IEEE 802/IETF Relationship", RFC 4441,
              March 2006.

   [RFC4663]  Harrington, D., "Transferring MIB Work from IETF Bridge
              MIB WG to IEEE 802.1 WG", RFC 4663, September 2006.

Appendix A.  Current examples of this relationship

A.1.  MIB Review

   Historically the MIB modules for IEEE 802.1 and IEEE 802.3 were
   developped in the IETF Bridge MIB and Hub MIB Working Groups
   respectively.  With travel budgets under pressure, it has become
   increasingly difficult for companies to fund employees to attend both
   IEEE 802 and IETF meetings.  As a result, an alternative was found to

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   past arrangements that involved chartering MIB work items within an
   IETF WG by transferring the work to IEEE 802 with expert support for
   MIB review from the IETF.  In order to encourage wider review of MIBs
   developed by IEEE 802 WGs, it is recommended that MIB modules
   developed in IEEE 802 follow the MIB guidelines [RFC4181].  An IEEE
   802 group may request assignment of a 'MIB Doctor' to assist in a MIB
   review by contacting the IETF Operations and Management Area
   Director.

   By standardizing IEEE 802 MIBs only within IEEE 802 while utilizing
   the SNMP quality control process, the IETF and IEEE 802 seek to
   ensure quality while decreasing overhead.  The process of transfer of
   the MIB work from the IETF Bridge MIB WG to IEEE 802.1 WG is
   documented in [RFC4663].

Appendix B.  Pointers to Additional Useful Information

   This section provides pointers to additional useful information for
   paricipants in IEEE 802 and IETF.

B.1.  IEEE 802 Information that may be useful to IETF participants

   IEEE 802 Home Page: http://IEEE802.org/

   IEEE 802 policies and procedures: http://ieee802.org/devdocs.shtml

   The IEEE 802 WG and TAG main page URLs follow this convention: They
   have the one or two digit numerical designation for the WG or TAG
   appended after http://IEEE802.org/.  For example the IEEE 802.1 main
   web page is at http://IEEE802.org/1, while the IEEE 802.11 main web
   page is at http://IEEE802.org/11.

B.2.  IETF Information that may be of use to IEEE 802 participants

   Information on IETF procedures may be found in the documents in the
   informative references, and at the URLs below.

   Note: RFCs do not change after they are published.  Rather, they are
   either obsoleted or updated by other RFCs.  Such updates are tracked
   in the rfc-index.txt file.

   Current list and status of all IETF RFCs:
   ftp://ftp.ietf.org/rfc/rfc-index.txt

   Current list and description of all IETF Internet-Drafts:
   ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/1id-abstracts.txt

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   Current list of IETF working groups and their Charters:
   http://www.ietf.org/dyn/wg/charter.html (includes area directors and
   chair contacts, mailing list information, etc.)

   Current list of registered BOFs: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/

   RFC Editor pages about publishing RFCs:
   http://www.rfc-editor.org/index.html (including available tools and
   lots of guidance) http://www.rfc-editor.org/pubprocess.html is
   particularly helpful.

   Current list of liaison statements:
   https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/

   IETF Intellectual Property Rights Policy and Notices:
   http://www.ietf.org/ipr/

   The Tao of the IETF: http://www.ietf.org/tao.html (A Novice's Guide
   to the Internet Engineering Task Force)

Authors' Addresses

   Spencer Dawkins (editor)
   Huawei Technologies
   1547 Rivercrest Blvd.
   Allen, TX  75002
   USA

   Email: spencer@wonderhamster.org

   Patricia Thaler
   Broadcom Corporation
   5025 Keane Drive
   Carmichael, CA  95608
   USA

   Email: pthaler@broadcom.com

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   Dan Romascanu
   AVAYA
   Park Atidim, Bldg. #3
   Tel Aviv,   61581
   Israel

   Phone: +972-3-6458414
   Email: dromasca@avaya.com

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