Publishing the "Tao of the IETF" as a Web Page
draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-04
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2012-07-24
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04 | (System) | IANA Action state changed to No IC from In Progress |
2012-07-24
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04 | (System) | IANA Action state changed to In Progress |
2012-07-23
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04 | Cindy Morgan | State changed to RFC Ed Queue from Approved-announcement sent |
2012-07-23
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04 | Amy Vezza | State changed to Approved-announcement sent from Approved-announcement to be sent::Point Raised - writeup needed |
2012-07-23
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04 | Amy Vezza | IESG has approved the document |
2012-07-23
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04 | Amy Vezza | Closed "Approve" ballot |
2012-07-23
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04 | Amy Vezza | Ballot approval text was generated |
2012-07-23
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04 | Russ Housley | Ballot writeup was changed |
2012-07-23
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04 | Cindy Morgan | New version available: draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-04.txt |
2012-07-23
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03 | Martin Stiemerling | Ballot comment text updated for Martin Stiemerling |
2012-07-19
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03 | Cindy Morgan | State changed to Approved-announcement to be sent::Point Raised - writeup needed from IESG Evaluation |
2012-07-19
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03 | Pete Resnick | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Pete Resnick has been changed to Yes from No Objection |
2012-07-19
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03 | Adrian Farrel | [Ballot comment] The author has agreed to add a note saying: Translations of versions of the Tao are made into other languages from time … [Ballot comment] The author has agreed to add a note saying: Translations of versions of the Tao are made into other languages from time to time. These do not represent IETF consensus and are provided on an "as is" basis. The issue of how translations are recorded, made available, cross-referenced to versions of the Tao, and archived is outside the scope of this document and for future study. --- Unclear to me why the document needs to limit the edit team to exactly one person for all time. Suggest "one or more people as designated by the IESG" |
2012-07-19
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03 | Adrian Farrel | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Adrian Farrel has been changed to Yes from Discuss |
2012-07-19
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03 | Gonzalo Camarillo | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Gonzalo Camarillo |
2012-07-18
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03 | Ralph Droms | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Ralph Droms |
2012-07-18
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03 | Russ Housley | Ballot writeup was changed |
2012-07-18
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03 | Adrian Farrel | [Ballot discuss] I support the publication of this document. Before moving to a "Yes" ballot, I would like to discuss how translations that are produced … [Ballot discuss] I support the publication of this document. Before moving to a "Yes" ballot, I would like to discuss how translations that are produced from time to time will be made available and archived |
2012-07-18
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03 | Adrian Farrel | [Ballot comment] Unclear to me why the document needs to limit the edit team to exactly one person for all time. Suggest "one or more … [Ballot comment] Unclear to me why the document needs to limit the edit team to exactly one person for all time. Suggest "one or more people as designated by the IESG" |
2012-07-18
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03 | Adrian Farrel | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Adrian Farrel |
2012-07-18
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03 | Ron Bonica | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Ronald Bonica |
2012-07-17
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03 | Wesley Eddy | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Wesley Eddy |
2012-07-16
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03 | Martin Stiemerling | [Ballot comment] The draft says in Section 2 "is based on the last Internet-Draft that was meant to replace". Should we add, just for completeness, … [Ballot comment] The draft says in Section 2 "is based on the last Internet-Draft that was meant to replace". Should we add, just for completeness, an informational reference to this draft? Otherwise, this draft might be hard to spot. However, this might be only of interest to archaeologists... |
2012-07-16
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03 | Martin Stiemerling | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Martin Stiemerling |
2012-07-16
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03 | Robert Sparks | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Robert Sparks |
2012-07-16
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03 | Sean Turner | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Sean Turner |
2012-07-16
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03 | Stewart Bryant | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Stewart Bryant |
2012-07-15
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03 | Roni Even | Request for Last Call review by GENART Completed. Reviewer: Roni Even. |
2012-07-14
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03 | Stephen Farrell | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Stephen Farrell |
2012-07-14
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03 | Pete Resnick | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Pete Resnick |
2012-07-13
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03 | Samuel Weiler | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR Completed: Ready. Reviewer: Tom Yu. |
2012-07-13
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03 | Benoît Claise | [Ballot comment] My four points are not really a DISCUSS, but I really would like to see it addressed, or at least discussed 1. This … [Ballot comment] My four points are not really a DISCUSS, but I really would like to see it addressed, or at least discussed 1. This document has two parts, a correctly explained in the Introduction section. - it explains that the "Tao of the IETF", which has been published as a series of RFCs in the past, is now published as a web page. -. it explains the new procedure. "This document contains the procedure agreed to by the IESG" My issue is: The abstract only contains the first part 1. Here is a proposal: OLD This document describes how the "Tao of the IETF", which has been published as a series of RFCs in the past, will instead be published as a web page. NEW This document describes how the "Tao of the IETF", which has been published as a series of RFCs in the past, is instead published as a web page. Furthermore, this document contains the procedure for publishing and editing the Tao 2. Why do you always use the future tense in the draft? - "This document describes how the "Tao of the IETF", which has been published as a series of RFCs in the past, will instead be published as a web page." - "The Tao will be published at " (note: it's done right in the security considerations section - etc... Specifically for the section 2, the procedure should really use the present tense. OLD: The Tao will be edited by one person who is chosen by the IESG. NEW The Tao is edited by one person who is chosen by the IESG. 3. I would make sense to set up the mailing in advance and mentioned it in draft The Tao will be edited by one person who is chosen by the IESG. Suggestions for changes to the Tao will be discussed on an open, Tao- specific mailing list. 4. Each version of the Tao will have a visible timestamp near the beginning of the document. All published versions will be archived using URLs of the form . If there is right now http://www.ietf.org/tao-archive/tao-20120713.html, how do I know the date of the previous version? I guess that the http://www.ietf.org/tao-archive/ directory will list all the entries, right? If this is the case, please mention it in the draft |
2012-07-13
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03 | Benoît Claise | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Benoit Claise has been changed to No Objection from No Record |
2012-07-13
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03 | Benoît Claise | [Ballot comment] My four points are not really a DISCUSS, but I really would like to see it addressed. 1. This document has two parts, … [Ballot comment] My four points are not really a DISCUSS, but I really would like to see it addressed. 1. This document has two parts, a correctly explained in the Introduction section. - it explains that the "Tao of the IETF", which has been published as a series of RFCs in the past, is now published as a web page. -. it explains the new procedure. "This document contains the procedure agreed to by the IESG" My issue is: The abstract only contains the first part 1. Here is a proposal: OLD This document describes how the "Tao of the IETF", which has been published as a series of RFCs in the past, will instead be published as a web page. NEW This document describes how the "Tao of the IETF", which has been published as a series of RFCs in the past, is instead published as a web page. Furthermore, this document contains the procedure for publishing and editing the Tao 2. Why do you always use the future tense in the draft? - "This document describes how the "Tao of the IETF", which has been published as a series of RFCs in the past, will instead be published as a web page." - "The Tao will be published at " (note: it's done right in the security considerations section - etc... Specifically for the section 2, the procedure should really use the present tense. OLD: The Tao will be edited by one person who is chosen by the IESG. NEW The Tao is edited by one person who is chosen by the IESG. 3. I would make sense to set up the mailing in advance and mentioned it in draft The Tao will be edited by one person who is chosen by the IESG. Suggestions for changes to the Tao will be discussed on an open, Tao- specific mailing list. 4. Each version of the Tao will have a visible timestamp near the beginning of the document. All published versions will be archived using URLs of the form . If there is right now http://www.ietf.org/tao-archive/tao-20120713.html, how do I know the date of the previous version? I guess that the http://www.ietf.org/tao-archive/ directory will list all the entries, right? If this is the case, please mention it in the draft |
2012-07-13
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03 | Benoît Claise | Ballot comment text updated for Benoit Claise |
2012-07-13
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03 | Brian Haberman | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Brian Haberman |
2012-07-13
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03 | Russ Housley | State changed to IESG Evaluation from Waiting for AD Go-Ahead |
2012-07-13
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03 | Russ Housley | Placed on agenda for telechat - 2012-07-19 |
2012-07-13
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03 | (System) | State changed to Waiting for AD Go-Ahead from In Last Call |
2012-07-05
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03 | Paul Hoffman | New version available: draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-03.txt |
2012-06-22
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02 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Roni Even |
2012-06-22
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02 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Roni Even |
2012-06-19
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02 | Samuel Weiler | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Tom Yu |
2012-06-19
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02 | Samuel Weiler | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Tom Yu |
2012-06-19
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02 | Pearl Liang | IANA has reviewed draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02, which is currently in Last Call, and has the following comments: IANA understands that, upon approval of this document, there … IANA has reviewed draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02, which is currently in Last Call, and has the following comments: IANA understands that, upon approval of this document, there are no IANA Actions that need completion. |
2012-06-15
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02 | Cindy Morgan | The following Last Call announcement was sent out: From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Last Call: (Publishing the "Tao of the IETF" as … The following Last Call announcement was sent out: From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Last Call: (Publishing the "Tao of the IETF" as a Web Page) to Informational RFC The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'Publishing the "Tao of the IETF" as a Web Page' as Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2012-07-13. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract Discussion of the "Tao of the IETF" during 2012 made it clear that many people want the document published only as a web page, not as an RFC that needs to be periodically updated. This document specifies how the Tao will be published as a web page. The file can be obtained via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page/ IESG discussion can be tracked via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. |
2012-06-15
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02 | Cindy Morgan | State changed to In Last Call from Last Call Requested |
2012-06-15
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02 | Barry Leiba | [Ballot comment] Gotta love the Security Considerations section. :-) |
2012-06-15
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02 | Barry Leiba | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Barry Leiba |
2012-06-15
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02 | Russ Housley | Last call was requested |
2012-06-15
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02 | Russ Housley | Last call announcement was generated |
2012-06-15
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02 | Russ Housley | State changed to Last Call Requested from AD Evaluation |
2012-06-15
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02 | Russ Housley | Ballot has been issued |
2012-06-15
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02 | Russ Housley | Ballot approval text was generated |
2012-06-15
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02 | Russ Housley | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Russ Housley |
2012-06-15
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02 | Russ Housley | Created "Approve" ballot |
2012-06-15
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02 | Russ Housley | Ballot writeup was changed |
2012-06-15
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02 | Russ Housley | Ballot writeup was generated |
2012-06-15
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02 | Russ Housley | State changed to AD Evaluation from Publication Requested |
2012-06-15
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02 | Russ Housley | (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is this the proper type of RFC? … (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the title page header? Informational, because it is a process document. Note that this document obsoletes RFC 4677, which is also Informational. (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary This document is not "technical". It proposes a change to the process of publishing the Tao of the IETF, namely to make that publication on the IETF web site instead of as an RFC. Working Group Summary This document was discussed on ietf@ietf.org, but not in a Working Group. Document Quality The document describes a process that is yet to be implemented. Personnel Paul Hoffman is the document editor and document shepherd; Russ Housley is the sponsoring AD. (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready for publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to the IESG. The document was discussed on the ietf@ietf.org for a short period of time, but there were no serious objections to it. Some people were more interested in the Tao being published as a wiki, but most preferred having a single editor. No one spoke up for the central control mechanism listed in this document (IESG approval of all changes to the Tao), but no one objected to it either. (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? No. (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took place. No. (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the interested community has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. None. (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why. Yes. (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If so, summarize any discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR disclosures. No. (9) How solid is the consensus of the interested community behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the interested community as a whole understand and agree with it? There was strong support for the Tao being a living web page. There was no significant discussion on ietf@ietf.org about the IESG being the final deciders on the content. (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.) No. (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this document. (See http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. None. (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. None. (13) Have all references within this document been identified as either normative or informative? Yes, the latter. (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the plan for their completion? No. (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure. No. (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any existing RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed in the abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not listed in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the part of the document where the relationship of this document to the other RFCs is discussed. If this information is not in the document, explain why the interested community considers it unnecessary. Yes, this obsoletes the current Tao, RFC 4677. The reference to RFC 4677 is in the Introduction. (17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 5226). None. (18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries. None. (19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by to validate sections of the document written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc. None. |
2012-06-15
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02 | Russ Housley | Assigned to General Area |
2012-06-15
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02 | Russ Housley | State Change Notice email list changed to paul.hoffman@vpnc.org |
2012-06-15
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02 | Russ Housley | Stream changed to IETF |
2012-06-15
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02 | Russ Housley | Intended Status changed to Informational |
2012-06-15
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02 | Russ Housley | IESG process started in state Publication Requested |
2012-06-15
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02 | Paul Hoffman | New version available: draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt |
2012-06-12
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01 | Paul Hoffman | New version available: draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-01.txt |
2012-06-09
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00 | Paul Hoffman | New version available: draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-00.txt |