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Experimental Scenarios of Information-Centric Networking (ICN) Integration in 4G Mobile Networks
draft-irtf-icnrg-icn-lte-4g-12

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2022-04-22
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2022-03-21
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2022-03-21
12 Anil Jangam New version available: draft-irtf-icnrg-icn-lte-4g-12.txt
2022-03-21
12 (System) New version approved
2022-03-21
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2022-03-21
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2022-02-22
11 Amanda Baber IANA Review state changed to IANA OK - No Actions Needed
2022-02-22
11 Amanda Baber
(Via drafts-eval@iana.org): IESG/Authors/ISE:

The IANA Functions Operator has reviewed draft-irtf-icnrg-icn-lte-4g-11 and has the following comments:

We understand that this document doesn't require any registry …
(Via drafts-eval@iana.org): IESG/Authors/ISE:

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We understand that this document doesn't require any registry actions.

While it's often helpful for a document's IANA Considerations section to remain in place upon publication even if there are no actions, if the authors strongly prefer to remove it, we do not object.

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Thank you,

Amanda Baber
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2022-02-22
11 Colin Perkins IRTF state changed to In IESG Review from Awaiting IRSG Reviews
2022-02-22
11 Colin Perkins IETF conflict review initiated - see conflict-review-irtf-icnrg-icn-lte-4g
2022-01-28
11 Anil Jangam New version available: draft-irtf-icnrg-icn-lte-4g-11.txt
2022-01-28
11 (System) New version approved
2022-01-28
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2022-01-28
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2021-08-09
10 Colin Perkins IRTF state changed to Awaiting IRSG Reviews from Waiting for Document Shepherd
2021-07-30
10 Anil Jangam New version available: draft-irtf-icnrg-icn-lte-4g-10.txt
2021-07-30
10 (System) New version approved
2021-07-30
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2021-02-22
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2021-02-22
09 Anil Jangam New version available: draft-irtf-icnrg-icn-lte-4g-09.txt
2021-02-22
09 (System) New version approved
2021-02-22
09 (System)
Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Anil Jangam , Dirk Trossen , Milan Stolic , Prakash suthar , Ravi Ravindran , icnrg-chairs@ietf.org, …
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2021-02-22
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2021-01-26
08 (System) Document has expired
2020-10-12
08 Colin Perkins Tag Revised I-D Needed set.
2020-10-12
08 Colin Perkins IRTF state changed to Waiting for Document Shepherd from In IRSG Poll
2020-10-12
08 Colin Perkins Closed "IRSG Approve" ballot
2020-08-17
08 Mat Ford
[Ballot comment]
I have no objection to this document being published in the IRTF stream. I agree with others that the charter of the ICNRG …
[Ballot comment]
I have no objection to this document being published in the IRTF stream. I agree with others that the charter of the ICNRG may be due for an update to take account of the ICN-over-foo, uses of ICN and ICN applications work that is all underway now. I also agree that the audience for this document may be closer to 3GPP than the IETF, but there is quite some history of publishing 3GPP-related information in the IETF so again I don't see that as a big problem here (if the IRTF has an ICN research group, then (modulo charter update) ICN-over-foo research seems like fair game to me).
2020-08-17
08 Mat Ford [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Mat Ford
2020-08-12
08 Mirja Kühlewind
[Ballot comment]
I entered "no objection" as ballot position because I don't think there is any harm in publishing this document in the RFC series …
[Ballot comment]
I entered "no objection" as ballot position because I don't think there is any harm in publishing this document in the RFC series but looking at Lars' comment I wonder what the intend of the document is and if the RFC series is the right place to publish. I guess the question is who is the intended audience? I guess it's more for the 3GPP community to read than for the IETF/IRTF community as such it would make more sense to publish this information in one of their venues. Also, are people in 3GPP aware? And how is the relation of the content of this document to on-going effects in this space in 3GPP?

Connected to this, I also looked at the charter and my reading is that it is mainly focused on comparing different approaches proposed in research. I believe the group went already far beyond that and maybe it's time to consider rechartering.

I also wonder about this sentence in the abstract:
"Multicast and broadcast technologies have recently
  emerged for mobile networks, but their deployments are very limited
  or at an experimental stage. "
Isn't that also true for ICN? As such I find the motivation why ICN is beneficial in mobile networks rather weak...

One more concrete comment: In section 3.2. you mention type of service (ToS). Please note that RFC1349 is obsoleted by RFC2474, therefore I recommend strongly to remove any notion of ToS from this document. However, I do find this section anyway rather weak as you say ICN is intended to solve this but then just say it needs further research. I'd potentially rather remove the whole section.

And one minor comment: Maybe spell out TCO in section 3.4?
2020-08-12
08 Mirja Kühlewind Ballot comment text updated for Mirja Kühlewind
2020-08-12
08 Mirja Kühlewind
[Ballot comment]
I enter "no objection" as ballot position because I don't think there is any harm in publishing this document in the RFC series …
[Ballot comment]
I enter "no objection" as ballot position because I don't think there is any harm in publishing this document in the RFC series but looking at Lars' comment I wonder what the intend of the document is and if the RFC series is the right place to publish. I guess the question is who is the intended audience? I guess it more for the 3GPP community to read than for the IETF/IRTF community as such it would make more sense to publish this information in one or their venues. Also are people in 3GPP aware? And how is the relation of the content of this document to on-going effects in this space in 3GPP?

Connected to this, I also looked at the charter and my reading is that it is mainly focused on comparing different approaches proposed in research. I believe the group went already far beyond that and maybe it's time to consider rechartering.

I also wonder about this sentence in the abstract:
"Multicast and broadcast technologies have recently
  emerged for mobile networks, but their deployments are very limited
  or at an experimental stage. "
Isn't that also true for ICN? As such I find the motivation why ICN is beneficial in mobile networks rather weak...

One more concrete comment: In section 3.2. you mention type of service (ToS). Please note that RFC1349 is obsoleted by RFC2474, therefore I recommend strongly to remove any notion of ToS from this document. However, I do find this section anyway rather weak as you say ICN is intended to solve this but then just say it needs further research. I'd potentially rather remove the whole section.

And one minor comment: Maybe spell out TCO in section 3.4?
2020-08-12
08 Mirja Kühlewind [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Mirja Kühlewind
2020-08-11
08 Shivan Sahib
[Ballot comment]
Not an expert on ICN, but I looked at the new privacy considerations section (thanks for including it). There are several risks introduced …
[Ballot comment]
Not an expert on ICN, but I looked at the new privacy considerations section (thanks for including it). There are several risks introduced specific to the deployment models as outlined in this section.
Both the security and privacy sections end with "more research is needed". While this would always be true, it would be good to not punt these important discussions down the road too much - it would be great to see expansion of the points brought up; for e.g. "[ICNoICN scenario] ... forwarder in the path could be a potential risk for privacy attack" could be expanded more - what would this attack look like? How could it be mitigated? Can it be mitigated? Are there censorship and anonymity attacks possible for point 3?

I'm also having trouble understanding some of the conclusions. For instance, "... a mere presence of the TCL does not present increased risk and vulnerability." But it does, right? If the TCL did not exist there wouldn't be any privacy risks related to ICN. Also, "introduction of TCL as a vehicle to implement ICN in LTE does not present additional privacy risk beyond issues already identified as they apply to ICN in general" - but now because of the deployments mentioned in this document those privacy risks would apply to LTE/4G as well.
It's great that the point that privacy issues have a way of compounding rather than being additive seems to be well understood - it's worthwhile to examine the privacy risks not just from an ICN-specific point of view but also the privacy risks that are unique to the combination of ICN+4G/LTE.
2020-08-11
08 Shivan Sahib [Ballot Position Update] New position, Recuse, has been recorded for Shivan Sahib
2020-08-11
08 Mallory Knodel [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Mallory Knodel
2020-08-11
08 Lars Eggert
[Ballot comment]
>  Native Deployment of ICN in LTE, 4G Mobile Networks

I don't quite understand why the IRTF (where the I is for Internet) …
[Ballot comment]
>  Native Deployment of ICN in LTE, 4G Mobile Networks

I don't quite understand why the IRTF (where the I is for Internet)
should be publishing a document that describes how to deploy a
non-Internet networking technology in another SDO's non-Internet
architecture...

Has 3GPP reviewed this document? Would they be surprised to see this
published by the IRTF?

  s/IPSec/IPsec/g

>    This transport
>    convergence layer helps determine the type of transport (such as ICN
>    or IP), as well as the type of radio interface (LTE or WiFi or both)
>    used to send and receive traffic based on preference (e.g., content
>    location, content type, content publisher, congestion, cost, QoS).

Where will this TCL come from and what are the incremental incentives
for applications to move to it?
2020-08-11
08 Lars Eggert [Ballot Position Update] New position, Recuse, has been recorded for Lars Eggert
2020-08-10
08 Spencer Dawkins
[Ballot comment]
Thanks for doing this work. I like it, and it's well-written.

I have a couple of comments you might take into account.

"Dual …
[Ballot comment]
Thanks for doing this work. I like it, and it's well-written.

I have a couple of comments you might take into account.

"Dual stack IP or ICN" seems to be an unfortunate choice of terms - "dual stack" is used to refer to "IP or ICN", but that's confusing, and even more confusing when it's used for "Dual stack IP (IPv4/IPv6) or ICN", which I guess should be read as nested "Dual stack (Dual stack (IP (IPv4/IPv6)) or ICN)", since both IPv4/IPv6 and the combination of IP or ICN are "dual stacks". Is there any other term you could use that wouldn't collide with a term that's been in wide use for at least 25 years (it's in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1933)?

This text

  LTE uses IP transport in its mobile backhaul (between eNodeB and core
  network).  In case of provider-owned backhaul, it may not be
  necessary to implement any security mechanisms because the entire IP
  transport is owned by service provider.  Deployment of security
  gateways and encryption might be necessary when IP transport is
  provided by other provider as shared media or leased lines. 

seems awfully optimistic in 2020. Even if true, I'd have concerns about saying it out loud - I was getting objections to similar text in the early 2000s.

Fortunately, I think you can drop the second and third sentences with no lack of coherence, and no one with a 4G/LTE network is going to be reading this document to find out how to secure their IP networks, anyway.

Do the right thing, of course.
2020-08-10
08 Spencer Dawkins [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Spencer Dawkins
2020-08-10
08 Colin Perkins IRTF state changed to In IRSG Poll from IRSG Review
2020-08-10
08 Colin Perkins Created IRSG Ballot
2020-07-26
08 Colin Perkins Mallory Knodel review -07; waiting confirmation -08 addresses review comments.
2020-07-26
08 Colin Perkins IRTF state changed to IRSG Review from Waiting for Document Shepherd
2020-07-25
08 (System) Revised ID Needed tag cleared
2020-07-25
08 Anil Jangam New version available: draft-irtf-icnrg-icn-lte-4g-08.txt
2020-07-25
08 (System) New version approved
2020-07-25
08 (System) Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Prakash suthar , Dirk Trossen , Anil Jangam , Milan Stolic , Ravi Ravindran
2020-07-25
08 Anil Jangam Uploaded new revision
2020-07-13
07 Colin Perkins Revised draft needed to address IRSG review comments from Mallory Knodel (2020-06-26)
2020-07-13
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2020-07-13
07 Colin Perkins IRTF state changed to Waiting for Document Shepherd from Awaiting IRSG Reviews
2020-06-23
07 Colin Perkins Sent for IRSG review 2020-06-23
2020-06-23
07 Colin Perkins IRTF state changed to Awaiting IRSG Reviews from Waiting for Document Shepherd
2020-06-23
07 Colin Perkins Changed consensus to Yes from Unknown
2020-05-25
07 (System) Revised ID Needed tag cleared
2020-05-25
07 Anil Jangam New version available: draft-irtf-icnrg-icn-lte-4g-07.txt
2020-05-25
07 (System) New version approved
2020-05-25
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2020-05-25
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2020-05-07
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2020-05-07
06 Anil Jangam New version available: draft-irtf-icnrg-icn-lte-4g-06.txt
2020-05-07
06 (System) New version approved
2020-05-07
06 (System)
Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Anil Jangam , Dirk Trossen , Prakash suthar , Ravi Ravindran , irtf-chair@irtf.org, icnrg-chairs@ietf.org, Milan …
Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Anil Jangam , Dirk Trossen , Prakash suthar , Ravi Ravindran , irtf-chair@irtf.org, icnrg-chairs@ietf.org, Milan Stolic
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2020-05-07
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2020-03-17
05 Colin Perkins Tag Revised I-D Needed set.
2020-03-17
05 Colin Perkins IRTF state changed to Waiting for Document Shepherd from Waiting for IRTF Chair
2020-01-16
05 David Oran Colin - Please start IRSG review of this. See the Shepherd writeup for details. Thanks!
2020-01-16
05 David Oran IRTF state changed to Waiting for IRTF Chair from Active RG Document
2020-01-16
05 David Oran
This document finished ICNRG Last Call at the end of October, 2019. Support from the RG participants for advancing this work was strong, and confirmed …
This document finished ICNRG Last Call at the end of October, 2019. Support from the RG participants for advancing this work was strong, and confirmed with a brief discussion at the Singapore ICNRG meeting. Last Call comments were received from Dave Oran and Martin Reed. Their comments, with the exception of a small editorial correction by Martin, have been incorporated in the current draft. (The ICNRG chairs determined that rather than delay, the editorial corrections can be incorporated after IRSG review).

Both commenters have confirmed that they are happy with the resulting document and support progressing to IRSG Review.

Note that there is an IPR disclosure on this document. See https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3702/. However, the RG participants did not see any barriers based on this to continuing to advance the document to publication.
2020-01-16
05 David Oran Notification list changed to David Oran <daveoran@orandom.net>
2020-01-16
05 David Oran Document shepherd changed to David R. Oran
2019-11-04
05 Milan Stolic New version available: draft-irtf-icnrg-icn-lte-4g-05.txt
2019-11-04
05 (System) New version approved
2019-11-04
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2019-11-04
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2019-09-11
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2019-09-11
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2019-09-09
04 Anil Jangam New version available: draft-irtf-icnrg-icn-lte-4g-04.txt
2019-09-09
04 (System) New version approved
2019-09-09
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2019-09-09
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2019-03-10
03 Anil Jangam New version available: draft-irtf-icnrg-icn-lte-4g-03.txt
2019-03-10
03 (System) New version approved
2019-03-10
03 (System) Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Ravi Ravindran , Prakash suthar , Milan Stolic , Dirk Trossen , Anil Jangam
2019-03-10
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2018-10-22
02 Anil Jangam New version available: draft-irtf-icnrg-icn-lte-4g-02.txt
2018-10-22
02 (System) New version approved
2018-10-22
02 (System) Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Ravi Ravindran , Prakash suthar , Milan Stolic , Dirk Trossen , Anil Jangam
2018-10-22
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2018-07-11
01 David Oran Added to session: IETF-102: icnrg  Tue-1550
2018-07-02
01 Milan Stolic New version available: draft-irtf-icnrg-icn-lte-4g-01.txt
2018-07-02
01 (System) New version approved
2018-07-02
01 (System) Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Ravi Ravindran , Prakash suthar , Milan Stolic , Dirk Trossen , Anil Jangam
2018-07-02
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2018-03-19
00 David Oran Added to session: IETF-101: icnrg  Tue-1550
2018-02-04
00 David Oran IRTF state changed to Active RG Document
2018-02-04
00 David Oran This document now replaces draft-suthar-icnrg-icn-lte-4g instead of None
2018-02-04
00 David Oran Intended Status changed to Informational from None
2018-02-04
00 Anil Jangam New version available: draft-irtf-icnrg-icn-lte-4g-00.txt
2018-02-04
00 (System) WG -00 approved
2018-02-03
00 Anil Jangam Set submitter to "Anil Jangam ", replaces to (none) and sent approval email to group chairs: icnrg-chairs@ietf.org
2018-02-03
00 Anil Jangam Uploaded new revision