Autonomous System Migration Mechanisms and Their Effects on the BGP AS_PATH Attribute
draft-ietf-idr-as-migration-06
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2015-11-30
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06 | (System) | RFC Editor state changed to AUTH48-DONE from AUTH48 |
2015-11-13
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06 | (System) | RFC Editor state changed to AUTH48 from RFC-EDITOR |
2015-11-05
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06 | (System) | RFC Editor state changed to RFC-EDITOR from EDIT |
2015-10-14
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06 | Alvaro Retana | Notification list changed to aretana@cisco.com |
2015-10-14
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06 | (System) | Notify list changed from draft-ietf-idr-as-migration@ietf.org, idr-chairs@ietf.org, shares@ndzh.com to (None) |
2015-10-06
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06 | (System) | RFC Editor state changed to EDIT |
2015-10-06
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06 | (System) | IESG state changed to RFC Ed Queue from Approved-announcement sent |
2015-10-06
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06 | (System) | Announcement was received by RFC Editor |
2015-10-05
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06 | (System) | IANA Action state changed to No IC from In Progress |
2015-10-05
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06 | (System) | IANA Action state changed to In Progress |
2015-10-05
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06 | Amy Vezza | IESG state changed to Approved-announcement sent from Approved-announcement to be sent |
2015-10-05
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06 | Amy Vezza | IESG has approved the document |
2015-10-05
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06 | Amy Vezza | Closed "Approve" ballot |
2015-10-04
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06 | Alvaro Retana | IESG state changed to Approved-announcement to be sent from Approved-announcement to be sent::Revised I-D Needed |
2015-10-04
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06 | Alvaro Retana | Ballot approval text was generated |
2015-09-17
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06 | Cindy Morgan | IESG state changed to Approved-announcement to be sent::Revised I-D Needed from IESG Evaluation |
2015-09-16
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06 | Ben Campbell | [Ballot comment] I've cleared my discuss position on the following. I will leave it as a comment for reference purposes: I am confused at the … [Ballot comment] I've cleared my discuss position on the following. I will leave it as a comment for reference purposes: I am confused at the purpose of this draft. The introduction says "This draft discusses some existing commonly-used BGP mechanisms" and "The deployment of these mechanisms do not need to interwork with one another to accomplish the desired results" These words suggest an informational RFC, or maybe a BCP. On the other hand, the draft is labeled as standards track, and updates 4271 (I assume due to Brian's previous comments). Sections 3.3 and 4.2 make heavy use of 2119 keywords in a way that sounds like it is defining a standard (although I question whether these keywords in general impact interoperability per se.) So, I think there is a misalignment. If the intent is indeed to define a standard, then I suggest the abstract and first paragraph of introduction be rewritten to align with that. If not, then it shouldn't be standards track nor update 4271. |
2015-09-16
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06 | Ben Campbell | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Ben Campbell has been changed to No Objection from Discuss |
2015-09-16
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06 | Terry Manderson | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Terry Manderson |
2015-09-16
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06 | Deborah Brungard | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Deborah Brungard |
2015-09-16
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06 | Ben Campbell | [Ballot discuss] Hopefully this is easy to resolve: I am confused at the purpose of this draft. The introduction says "This draft discusses some existing … [Ballot discuss] Hopefully this is easy to resolve: I am confused at the purpose of this draft. The introduction says "This draft discusses some existing commonly-used BGP mechanisms" and "The deployment of these mechanisms do not need to interwork with one another to accomplish the desired results" These words suggest an informational RFC, or maybe a BCP. On the other hand, the draft is labeled as standards track, and updates 4271 (I assume due to Brian's previous comments). Sections 3.3 and 4.2 make heavy use of 2119 keywords in a way that sounds like it is defining a standard (although I question whether these keywords in general impact interoperability per se.) So, I think there is a misalignment. If the intent is indeed to define a standard, then I suggest the abstract and first paragraph of introduction be rewritten to align with that. If not, then it shouldn't be standards track nor update 4271. |
2015-09-16
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06 | Ben Campbell | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Ben Campbell |
2015-09-09
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06 | Alvaro Retana | [Ballot comment] To the IESG: This document was initially considered by the IESG as version -03 (in Feb/15), but was returned to the WG to … [Ballot comment] To the IESG: This document was initially considered by the IESG as version -03 (in Feb/15), but was returned to the WG to avoid it sounding like marketing material and to be precise about what is being specified. I believe the authors have done a very good job! https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=draft-ietf-idr-as-migration-03&url2=draft-ietf-idr-as-migration-06 |
2015-09-09
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06 | Alvaro Retana | Ballot comment text updated for Alvaro Retana |
2015-09-09
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06 | Alvaro Retana | Ballot has been issued |
2015-09-09
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06 | Alvaro Retana | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Alvaro Retana |
2015-09-09
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06 | Alvaro Retana | Ballot writeup was changed |
2015-09-09
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06 | Alvaro Retana | Ballot approval text was generated |
2015-09-07
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06 | Joel Jaeggli | IESG state changed to IESG Evaluation from Waiting for AD Go-Ahead |
2015-09-03
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06 | (System) | IESG state changed to Waiting for AD Go-Ahead from In Last Call |
2015-08-21
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06 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to IANA OK - No Actions Needed from Version Changed - Review Needed |
2015-08-21
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06 | Amanda Baber | (Via drafts-lastcall@iana.org): IESG/Authors/WG Chairs: IANA has reviewed draft-ietf-idr-as-migration-06, which is currently in Last Call, and has the following comments: We understand that this … (Via drafts-lastcall@iana.org): IESG/Authors/WG Chairs: IANA has reviewed draft-ietf-idr-as-migration-06, which is currently in Last Call, and has the following comments: We understand that this document doesn't require any IANA actions. While it's often helpful for a document's IANA Considerations section to remain in place upon publication even if there are no actions, if the authors strongly prefer to remove it, IANA does not object. If this assessment is not accurate, please respond as soon as possible. |
2015-08-20
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06 | Amy Vezza | The following Last Call announcement was sent out: From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce CC: Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: Subject: Last Call: (Autonomous System Migration Mechanisms and … The following Last Call announcement was sent out: From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce CC: Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: Subject: Last Call: (Autonomous System Migration Mechanisms and Their Effects on the BGP AS_PATH Attribute) to Proposed Standard The IESG has received a request from the Inter-Domain Routing WG (idr) to consider the following document: - 'Autonomous System Migration Mechanisms and Their Effects on the BGP AS_PATH Attribute' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2015-09-03. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This draft discusses some existing commonly-used BGP mechanisms for ASN migration that are not formally part of the BGP4 protocol specification. It is necessary to document these de facto standards to ensure that they are properly supported in future BGP protocol work. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-as-migration/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-as-migration/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. |
2015-08-20
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06 | Amy Vezza | IESG state changed to In Last Call from Last Call Requested |
2015-08-20
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06 | Alvaro Retana | Placed on agenda for telechat - 2015-09-17 |
2015-08-20
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06 | Alvaro Retana | Last call was requested |
2015-08-20
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06 | Alvaro Retana | IESG state changed to Last Call Requested from AD Evaluation |
2015-08-20
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06 | Alvaro Retana | Last call announcement was generated |
2015-08-20
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06 | Alvaro Retana | Last call announcement was generated |
2015-08-20
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06 | Alvaro Retana | IESG state changed to AD Evaluation from Publication Requested |
2015-08-20
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06 | Alvaro Retana | Notification list changed to draft-ietf-idr-as-migration@ietf.org, idr-chairs@ietf.org, shares@ndzh.com from morrowc@ops-netman.net, idr-chairs@ietf.org, "Susan Hares" <shares@ndzh.com.> |
2015-08-20
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06 | Alvaro Retana | IESG state changed to Publication Requested from AD is watching |
2015-08-06
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06 | Susan Hares | IETF WG state changed to Submitted to IESG for Publication from WG Consensus: Waiting for Write-Up |
2015-08-06
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06 | Susan Hares | Status: Proposed standard Shepherd: Susan Hares AD: Alvaro Retano (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement … Status: Proposed standard Shepherd: Susan Hares AD: Alvaro Retano (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary This draft discusses some BGP features for ASN migration that, while commonly used, are not formally part of the BGP4 protocol specification and may be vendor-specific in exact implementation. It is necessary to document these de facto standards to ensure that they are properly supported in future BGP protocol work such as BGPSec. Working Group Summary There was no WG process to note. Good Working Group Consensus occurred during WG Review. Document Quality This is not a protocol, but configuration and implementation details being codified for future implementers to be aware of, so operations of networks can continue. The document outlines processes and procedures which are used today in networks, most vendors implement a set of this document's features. Personnel Document Shepherd-1: Chris Morrow (Grow) Document Shepherd-2: Susan Hares (IDR) AD: Alvaro Retano (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready for publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to the IESG. Susan Hares and Chris Morrow both read this document (a few times now) and believe the document is ready for publication. Folk in the working group seem to agree, and the partner document in IDR (draft-ietf-idr-as-migration-03) is moving forward at this time as well. (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? The document shepherd does not harbor any concerns about this document. (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took place. We believe the parts of this document which require specialized review have been reviewed. That review was done by IDR folk during the working group work on that document as well. (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? Nothing to be concerned about with this revision. (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why. Yes (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR disclosures. N/A (9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? The WG consensus appears to be solid for this document. (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.) There are no threats at this time. (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this document. (See http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. NITS turned up the following: " The draft header indicates that this document updates RFC4271, but the abstract doesn't seem to mention this, which it should." - Alvaro suggests this can be updated in the next revision. (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. N/A (13) Have all references within this document been identified as either normative or informative? Yes (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the plan for their completion? There are not normative references to unfinished documents. (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure. No (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any existing RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed in the abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not listed in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the part of the document where the relationship of this document to the other RFCs is discussed. If this information is not in the document, explain why the WG considers it unnecessary. Updates RFC4271 is marked on draft. (17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 5226). I reviewed the IANA considerations section in this document, there are no considerations for IANA here. (18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries. N/A (19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by the Document Shepherd to validate sections of the document written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc. N/A |
2015-08-06
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06 | Susan Hares | Status: Proposed standard Shepherd: Susan Hares AD: Alvaro Retano (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement … Status: Proposed standard Shepherd: Susan Hares AD: Alvaro Retano (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary This draft discusses some BGP features for ASN migration that, while commonly used, are not formally part of the BGP4 protocol specification and may be vendor-specific in exact implementation. It is necessary to document these de facto standards to ensure that they are properly supported in future BGP protocol work such as BGPSec. Working Group Summary There was no WG process to note. Good Working Group Consensus occurred during WG Review. Document Quality This is not a protocol, but configuration and implementation details being codified for future implementers to be aware of, so operations of networks can continue. The document outlines processes and procedures which are used today in networks, most vendors implement a set of this document's features. Personnel Document Shepherd-1: Chris Morrow (Grow) Document Shepherd-2: Susan Hares (IDR) AD: Alvaro Retano (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready for publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to the IESG. Susan Hares and Chris Morrow both read this document (a few times now) and believe the document is ready for publication. Folk in the working group seem to agree, and the partner document in IDR (draft-ietf-idr-as-migration-03) is moving forward at this time as well. (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? The document shepherd does not harbor any concerns about this document. (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took place. We believe the parts of this document which require specialized review have been reviewed. That review was done by IDR folk during the working group work on that document as well. (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? Nothing to be concerned about with this revision. (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why. Yes (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR disclosures. N/A (9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? The WG consensus appears to be solid for this document. (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.) There are no threats at this time. (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this document. (See http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. NITS turned up the following: " The draft header indicates that this document updates RFC4271, but the abstract doesn't seem to mention this, which it should." - Alvaro suggests this can be updated in the next revision. (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. N/A (13) Have all references within this document been identified as either normative or informative? Yes (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the plan for their completion? There are not normative references to unfinished documents. (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure. No (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any existing RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed in the abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not listed in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the part of the document where the relationship of this document to the other RFCs is discussed. If this information is not in the document, explain why the WG considers it unnecessary. Updates RFC4271 is marked on draft. (17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 5226). I reviewed the IANA considerations section in this document, there are no considerations for IANA here. (18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries. N/A (19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by the Document Shepherd to validate sections of the document written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc. N/A |
2015-08-04
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06 | Susan Hares | status: Proposed RFC Shepherd: Susan Hares (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is … status: Proposed RFC Shepherd: Susan Hares (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the title page header? Proposed Standard (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary This draft discusses some BGP features for ASN migration that, while commonly used, are not formally part of the BGP4 protocol specification and may be vendor-specific in exact implementation. It is necessary to document these de facto standards to ensure that they are properly supported in future BGP protocol work such as BGPSec. Working Group Summary There was no WG process to note. Good Working Group Consensus occurred during WG Review. Document Quality This is not a protocol, but configuration and implementation details being codified for future implementers to be aware of, so operations of networks can continue. The document outlines processes and procedures which are used today in networks, most vendors implement a set of this document's features. Personnel Who is the Document Shepherd? Who is the Responsible Area Director? Document Shepherd: Chris Morrow (1st revision), Document Shepherd: Susan Hares (2nd revision) AD: Alvaro Retano (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready for publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to the IESG. I read the document (a few times now) and believe the document is ready for publication. Folk in the working group seem to agree, and the partner document in IDR (draft-ietf-idr-as-migration-03) is moving forward at this time as well. (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? The document shepherd does not harbor any concerns about this document. (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took place. I believe the parts of this document which require specialized review have been reviewed. That review was done by IDR folk during the working group work on that document as well. (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. I'm not concerned about this document. (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why. Yes (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR disclosures. N/A (9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? The WG consensus appears to be solid for this document. (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.) There are no threats at this time. (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this document. (See http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. The idnits process turned up: An old date (30 days ago). 1 downref to RFC5398 (which seems ok in this case) (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. N/A (13) Have all references within this document been identified as either normative or informative? Yes (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the plan for their completion? There are not normative references to unfinished documents. (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure. RFC5398 is referenced in this document, because AS numbers are used in the document, numbers which are from the reserved AS number space. Noting that the numbers used in this document are private/reserved seems to be on point, and the references seem to be relevant to the flow and intent of the document. (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any existing RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed in the abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not listed in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the part of the document where the relationship of this document to the other RFCs is discussed. If this information is not in the document, explain why the WG considers it unnecessary. No (17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 5226). I reviewed the IANA considerations section in this document, there are no considerations for IANA here. (18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries. N/A (19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by the Document Shepherd to validate sections of the document written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc. N/A |
2015-07-06
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06 | Wesley George | New version available: draft-ietf-idr-as-migration-06.txt |
2015-06-04
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05 | Jonathan Hardwick | Request for Early review by RTGDIR Completed: Has Nits. Reviewer: Thomas Morin. |
2015-05-15
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05 | Vijay Gurbani | Closed request for Last Call review by GENART with state 'No Response' |
2015-05-15
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05 | Vijay Gurbani | Closed request for Last Call review by GENART with state 'No Response' |
2015-05-06
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05 | Jonathan Hardwick | Request for Early review by RTGDIR is assigned to Thomas Morin |
2015-05-06
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05 | Jonathan Hardwick | Request for Early review by RTGDIR is assigned to Thomas Morin |
2015-04-28
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05 | Alvaro Retana | This document now replaces draft-ga-idr-as-migration instead of None |
2015-04-28
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05 | Wesley George | New version available: draft-ietf-idr-as-migration-05.txt |
2015-04-23
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04 | Tero Kivinen | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR Completed: Ready. Reviewer: Paul Wouters. |
2015-04-20
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04 | Susan Hares | IETF WG state changed to WG Consensus: Waiting for Write-Up from WG Document |
2015-04-20
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04 | Susan Hares | Notification list changed to morrowc@ops-netman.net, idr-chairs@ietf.org, "Susan Hares" <shares@ndzh.com.> from morrowc@ops-netman.net, idr-chairs@ietf.org |
2015-04-20
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04 | Susan Hares | Document shepherd changed to Susan Hares |
2015-04-16
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04 | Tero Kivinen | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Paul Wouters |
2015-04-16
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04 | Tero Kivinen | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Paul Wouters |
2015-04-10
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04 | Alvaro Retana | IETF WG state changed to WG Document from Submitted to IESG for Publication |
2015-04-10
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04 | Alvaro Retana | IESG state changed to AD is watching from Waiting for AD Go-Ahead |
2015-04-09
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04 | Wesley George | IANA Review state changed to Version Changed - Review Needed from IANA OK - No Actions Needed |
2015-04-09
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04 | Wesley George | New version available: draft-ietf-idr-as-migration-04.txt |
2015-03-25
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03 | Amy Vezza | Shepherding AD changed to Alvaro Retana |
2015-03-02
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03 | Tero Kivinen | Closed request for Last Call review by SECDIR with state 'No Response' |
2015-03-01
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03 | Gunter Van de Velde | Closed request for Last Call review by OPSDIR with state 'No Response' |
2015-02-19
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03 | Pete Resnick | [Ballot comment] (Moving my DISCUSS to a comment so I don't have see new version notifications while the WG works on this.) - RFC 2026 … [Ballot comment] (Moving my DISCUSS to a comment so I don't have see new version notifications while the WG works on this.) - RFC 2026 says this in section 5 regarding what a BCP is for: Historically Internet standards have generally been concerned with the technical specifications for hardware and software required for computer communication across interconnected networks. However, since the Internet itself is composed of networks operated by a great variety of organizations, with diverse goals and rules, good user service requires that the operators and administrators of the Internet follow some common guidelines for policies and operations. While these guidelines are generally different in scope and style from protocol standards, their establishment needs a similar process for consensus building. That sounds like exactly what this document is doing. Sounds like it should be a BCP. Is there a reason it shouldn't be? - I tend to agree with Alissa's distaste for the style of the second paragraph in section 1. This is a technical document, so I don't see the need to get into the details of how the technology impacts business. I'm sure the people driving the decision to use this document will be fully aware of the business consequences, so no need to really go into them here. Here's a suggestion by way of toning it down: NEW The migration features discussed here are useful to ISPs and organizations of all sizes, but they are critical for ISPs' operations when it is necessary to seamlessly migrate both internal and external BGP speakers from one ASN to a second ASN, such as during a merger, acquisition or divestiture involving two organizations. The overall goal in doing so is to simplify operations through consistent configurations across all BGP speakers in the combined network. In addition, ISPs find it critical to maintain utilization of their network resources by their customers. Because the BGP Path Selection algorithm selects routes with the shortest AS_PATH attribute, an increase in AS_PATH length during or after ASN migration toward downstream transit customers or settlement-free peers would result in significant changes to traffic patterns and decreased utilization by those customers. |
2015-02-19
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03 | Pete Resnick | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Pete Resnick has been changed to No Objection from Discuss |
2015-02-19
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03 | Joel Jaeggli | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Joel Jaeggli |
2015-02-19
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03 | Alia Atlas | Removed from agenda for telechat |
2015-02-19
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03 | Adrian Farrel | [Ballot comment] I cannot support the publication of this document in its current form. My issues could possibly be resolved, but I do not think … [Ballot comment] I cannot support the publication of this document in its current form. My issues could possibly be resolved, but I do not think that minor edits would be enough, and I suspect that after the work to produce the document and considering WG and IETF consensus, there will be enthusiasm to start again. resolving my concerns would, I think, require the document to return to the working group. Since I do not feel strongly enough that this document MUST NOT be published in this form, I will not use my Discuss to insist on changes. The notes below are provided to help you understand my reasoning and, if you are minded to agree with me, to help you think about how to update the document. (Some of the nits come from a "training review" done by Alvaro.) The documentseems to address four topics: - Requirements for and circumstances of AS migration - Behavior needed from a BGP system when migrating AS numbers - Mechanisms that a BGP implementation can use to provide the behavior - Description of the mechanisms and configuration options contained in specific implementations As Alvaro wrote: > o The Introduction is very tentative about the purpose: it wants to > document de facto standards for future implementations and so > that new features (BGPSec) take them into consideration..but it is > not expecting all implementation to follow exactly (at least not the > existing ones). My question is: should this be Informational instead > of Standard? I would say that the first two bullets are classic descriptive requirements text. They are good to publish as Informational. The third bullet is somewhat suspect. Maybe it is an advisory appendix, but the list of ways to provide the function is unbounded and there is no requirement for interoperability. I am not sure that publshing this information is a great benefit. Maybe it is not harmful although it might tend to reduce innovation and give vendors and operators expectations about mechanisms that should be used within implementations. I find the final bullet very suspect. It goes beyond an implementation report and enters into the world of sales. While the document makes no explicit analysis of the pros and cons of the different implementations, described, there is a lot between the lines. Furthermore, by not documenting the mechanisms in other implementations, the document gives the false impression that the three implementations described are the benchmark for AS migration. It might be possible to move this material to an appendix or a separate implementation document, but as the authors note, much or all of the information can be found on the websites of the companies concerned, and I think that is where it should stay. [Please note that twice, while typing this, I wrote "AD migration". That may be a better solution to all of our problems!] Here are the minor comments and nits... o "ISPs bill customers based on the 95th percentile of the greater of the traffic sent or received, over the course of a 1-month period, on the customer's access circuit." This information is not needed and may change at any time after the publication of this document. You have made the point about utilization: you can drop this text. o The use case figres, Fig 1 and 2, show customers C and D. When explaining the features, CE-A and CE-B are used instead. It would make it easier to follow if the same names were used. o Potential loops! Using "local-as no-prepend replace-as" results in eliminating an ASN from the AS_PATH (in the example, the Old_ADN 64510 is eliminated). If other routers in ISP B have not been migrated yet (very real possibility) then they may accept Updates that already went through their ASN (64510) resulting in potential loops. To be fair, the text suggests that ISP B has been migrated to the New_ASN before applying the "local-as no-prepend replace-as" config, but I think that it would be important to describe the potential risk of using this feature - either as an Operational Consideration or in the Security section. o The text uses "MY ASN" to indicate the ASN number in the BGP Open Message. However, (1) there is no reference to rfc4271 so that the reader understand what they're talking about, and (2) the field in the Open message is called "My Autonomous System" (not MY ASN). This shows up in 3.3 and 4.2. o Also in 3.3 (and 4.2), the Error Message "BAD PEER AS" is mentioned.. Again, no reference and wrong name. The name used in rfc4271 is "Bad Peer AS". o Other rfc4271 related nits.. The draft talks about "updates", but the official name is "UPDATE". Yes, maybe OCD, but I think it is important to be clear about what is being specified. In some cases the use is mixed: "..it MUST process the update as normal, but it MUST append the configured ASN in the AS_PATH attribute before advertising the UPDATE". o In 3.3 (last paragraph) the authors talk about the CLI implementation. While the exact command syntax is an implementation detail beyond the scope of this document, the following consideration may be helpful for implementers Suggest to stay out of this completely. It is nested "may" and that really calls its value into question. o Because the external features (Section 3) assumes that the AS being migrated is already using the New_ASN before using local-as, I would like to see the internal features (Section 4) be discussed first in the text to keep a logical flow. o 4.1: s/typically to PE devices/typically connected to PE devices |
2015-02-19
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03 | Adrian Farrel | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Abstain, has been recorded for Adrian Farrel |
2015-02-19
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03 | Ted Lemon | [Ballot comment] I would have raised the same DISCUSS Pete did, but since he raised it I'll no object and let his DISCUSS be where … [Ballot comment] I would have raised the same DISCUSS Pete did, but since he raised it I'll no object and let his DISCUSS be where the DISCUSSion happens. |
2015-02-19
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03 | Ted Lemon | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Ted Lemon |
2015-02-19
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03 | Jari Arkko | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Jari Arkko |
2015-02-18
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03 | Pete Resnick | [Ballot discuss] A procedural DISCUSS, which I expect will be cleared on the call, whatever the outcome: RFC 2026 says this in section 5 regarding … [Ballot discuss] A procedural DISCUSS, which I expect will be cleared on the call, whatever the outcome: RFC 2026 says this in section 5 regarding what a BCP is for: Historically Internet standards have generally been concerned with the technical specifications for hardware and software required for computer communication across interconnected networks. However, since the Internet itself is composed of networks operated by a great variety of organizations, with diverse goals and rules, good user service requires that the operators and administrators of the Internet follow some common guidelines for policies and operations. While these guidelines are generally different in scope and style from protocol standards, their establishment needs a similar process for consensus building. That sounds like exactly what this document is doing. Sounds like it should be a BCP. Is there a reason it shouldn't be? |
2015-02-18
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03 | Pete Resnick | [Ballot comment] I tend to agree with Alissa's distaste for the style of the second paragraph in section 1. This is a technical document, so … [Ballot comment] I tend to agree with Alissa's distaste for the style of the second paragraph in section 1. This is a technical document, so I don't see the need to get into the details of how the technology impacts business. I'm sure the people driving the decision to use this document will be fully aware of the business consequences, so no need to really go into them here. Here's a suggestion by way of toning it down: NEW The migration features discussed here are useful to ISPs and organizations of all sizes, but they are critical for ISPs' operations when it is necessary to seamlessly migrate both internal and external BGP speakers from one ASN to a second ASN, such as during a merger, acquisition or divestiture involving two organizations. The overall goal in doing so is to simplify operations through consistent configurations across all BGP speakers in the combined network. In addition, ISPs find it critical to maintain utilization of their network resources by their customers. Because the BGP Path Selection algorithm selects routes with the shortest AS_PATH attribute, an increase in AS_PATH length during or after ASN migration toward downstream transit customers or settlement-free peers would result in significant changes to traffic patterns and decreased utilization by those customers. |
2015-02-18
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03 | Pete Resnick | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Pete Resnick |
2015-02-18
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03 | Richard Barnes | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Richard Barnes |
2015-02-18
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03 | Stephen Farrell | [Ballot comment] In the security considerations, isn't there a threat of hijacking traffic (for whatever purpose) if an unauthorised party can migrate? |
2015-02-18
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03 | Stephen Farrell | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Stephen Farrell |
2015-02-18
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03 | Barry Leiba | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Barry Leiba |
2015-02-18
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03 | Alissa Cooper | [Ballot comment] Section 9: "This could result in a loss of revenue if the ISP is billing based on measured utilization of traffic … [Ballot comment] Section 9: "This could result in a loss of revenue if the ISP is billing based on measured utilization of traffic sent to/from entities attached to its network." Considering loss of revenue in and of itself to be a security issue is a slippery slope that we should probably not start to descend. I held my nose for the revenue-related text in Section 1, but here in Section 9 it seems particularly ill-advised. |
2015-02-18
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03 | Alissa Cooper | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Alissa Cooper |
2015-02-18
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03 | Benoît Claise | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Benoit Claise |
2015-02-17
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03 | Kathleen Moriarty | [Ballot comment] It seems like a good idea to document these features. I found a couple of nits you might want to fix: ASN is … [Ballot comment] It seems like a good idea to document these features. I found a couple of nits you might want to fix: ASN is first expanded in section 1.2. Although it is a well known acronym, you might want to expand it on first use instead. Section 4.1. what is "NB:"? |
2015-02-17
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03 | Kathleen Moriarty | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Kathleen Moriarty |
2015-02-17
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03 | Brian Haberman | [Ballot comment] Just one comment/question on this draft. It would seem logical to me for this document to update 4271. It seems like we want … [Ballot comment] Just one comment/question on this draft. It would seem logical to me for this document to update 4271. It seems like we want anyone implementing BGP4 to also implement this specification as well. |
2015-02-17
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03 | Brian Haberman | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Brian Haberman |
2015-02-16
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03 | Spencer Dawkins | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Spencer Dawkins |
2015-02-16
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03 | Martin Stiemerling | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Martin Stiemerling |
2015-02-16
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03 | Alia Atlas | Ballot has been issued |
2015-02-16
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03 | Alia Atlas | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Alia Atlas |
2015-02-16
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03 | Alia Atlas | Created "Approve" ballot |
2015-02-15
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03 | (System) | Requested Last Call review by GENART |
2015-02-13
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03 | (System) | IESG state changed to Waiting for AD Go-Ahead from In Last Call |
2015-02-05
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03 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Vijay Gurbani |
2015-02-05
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03 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Vijay Gurbani |
2015-02-05
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03 | Tero Kivinen | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Paul Wouters |
2015-02-05
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03 | Tero Kivinen | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Paul Wouters |
2015-02-03
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03 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to IANA OK - No Actions Needed from IANA - Review Needed |
2015-02-03
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03 | Pearl Liang | IESG/Authors/WG Chairs: IANA has reviewed draft-ietf-idr-as-migration-03, which is currently in Last Call, and has the following comments: We understand that, upon approval of this … IESG/Authors/WG Chairs: IANA has reviewed draft-ietf-idr-as-migration-03, which is currently in Last Call, and has the following comments: We understand that, upon approval of this document, there are no IANA Actions that need completion. While it is helpful for the IANA Considerations section of the document to remain in place upon publication, if the authors prefer to remove it, IANA doesn't object. If this assessment is not accurate, please respond as soon as possible. |
2015-01-31
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03 | Gunter Van de Velde | Request for Last Call review by OPSDIR is assigned to Victor Kuarsingh |
2015-01-31
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03 | Gunter Van de Velde | Request for Last Call review by OPSDIR is assigned to Victor Kuarsingh |
2015-01-30
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03 | Cindy Morgan | IANA Review state changed to IANA - Review Needed |
2015-01-30
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03 | Cindy Morgan | The following Last Call announcement was sent out: From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce CC: Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: Subject: Last Call: (Autonomous System Migration Features and … The following Last Call announcement was sent out: From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce CC: Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: Subject: Last Call: (Autonomous System Migration Features and Their Effects on the BGP AS_PATH Attribute) to Proposed Standard The IESG has received a request from the Inter-Domain Routing WG (idr) to consider the following document: - 'Autonomous System Migration Features and Their Effects on the BGP AS_PATH Attribute' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2015-02-13. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This draft discusses some BGP features for ASN migration that, while commonly used, are not formally part of the BGP4 protocol specification and may be vendor-specific in exact implementation. It is necessary to document these de facto standards to ensure that they are properly supported in future BGP protocol work such as BGPSec. The file can be obtained via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-as-migration/ IESG discussion can be tracked via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-as-migration/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. |
2015-01-30
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03 | Cindy Morgan | IESG state changed to In Last Call from Last Call Requested |
2015-01-30
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03 | Alia Atlas | Placed on agenda for telechat - 2015-02-19 |
2015-01-30
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03 | Alia Atlas | Last call was requested |
2015-01-30
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03 | Alia Atlas | Last call announcement was generated |
2015-01-30
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03 | Alia Atlas | Ballot approval text was generated |
2015-01-30
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03 | Alia Atlas | IESG state changed to Last Call Requested from AD Evaluation |
2015-01-30
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03 | Alia Atlas | Ballot writeup was changed |
2015-01-30
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03 | Alia Atlas | Ballot writeup was generated |
2015-01-05
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03 | Alia Atlas | IESG state changed to AD Evaluation from Publication Requested |
2014-11-12
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03 | Susan Hares | As required by RFC 4858, this is the current template for the Document Shepherd Write-Up. Changes are expected over time. This version is dated … As required by RFC 4858, this is the current template for the Document Shepherd Write-Up. Changes are expected over time. This version is dated 24 February 2012. (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the title page header? Proposed Standard (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary This draft discusses some BGP features for ASN migration that, while commonly used, are not formally part of the BGP4 protocol specification and may be vendor-specific in exact implementation. It is necessary to document these de facto standards to ensure that they are properly supported in future BGP protocol work such as BGPSec. Working Group Summary There was no WG process to note. Good Working Group Consensus occurred during WG Review. Document Quality This is not a protocol, but configuration and implementation details being codified for future implementers to be aware of, so operations of networks can continue. The document outlines processes and procedures which are used today in networks, most vendors implement a set of this document's features. Personnel Who is the Document Shepherd? Who is the Responsible Area Director? Document Shepherd: Chris Morrow AD: Alia Atlas (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready for publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to the IESG. I read the document (a few times now) and believe the document is ready for publication. Folk in the working group seem to agree, and the partner document in IDR (draft-ietf-idr-as-migration-03) is moving forward at this time as well. (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? The document shepherd does not harbor any concerns about this document. (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took place. I believe the parts of this document which require specialized review have been reviewed. That review was done by IDR folk during the working group work on that document as well. (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. I'm not concerned about this document. (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why. Yes (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR disclosures. N/A (9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? The WG consensus appears to be solid for this document. (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.) There are no threats at this time. (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this document. (See http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. The idnits process turned up: An old date (30 days ago). 1 downref to RFC5398 (which seems ok in this case) (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. N/A (13) Have all references within this document been identified as either normative or informative? Yes (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the plan for their completion? There are not normative references to unfinished documents. (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure. RFC5398 is referenced in this document, because AS numbers are used in the document, numbers which are from the reserved AS number space. Noting that the numbers used in this document are private/reserved seems to be on point, and the references seem to be relevant to the flow and intent of the document. (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any existing RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed in the abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not listed in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the part of the document where the relationship of this document to the other RFCs is discussed. If this information is not in the document, explain why the WG considers it unnecessary. No (17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 5226). I reviewed the IANA considerations section in this document, there are no considerations for IANA here. (18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries. N/A (19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by the Document Shepherd to validate sections of the document written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc. N/A |
2014-11-12
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03 | Susan Hares | State Change Notice email list changed to morrowc@ops-netman.net, idr@ietf.org, idr-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-idr-as-migration.all@tools.ietf.org |
2014-11-12
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03 | Susan Hares | Responsible AD changed to Alia Atlas |
2014-11-12
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03 | Susan Hares | IESG state changed to Publication Requested |
2014-11-12
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03 | Susan Hares | IESG process started in state Publication Requested |
2014-11-12
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03 | Susan Hares | Tag Doc Shepherd Follow-up Underway cleared. |
2014-11-12
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03 | Susan Hares | IETF WG state changed to Submitted to IESG for Publication from WG Consensus: Waiting for Write-Up |
2014-11-12
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03 | Susan Hares | Intended Status changed to Proposed Standard from None |
2014-11-12
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03 | Susan Hares | Changed document writeup |
2014-10-29
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03 | Chris Morrow | Changed document writeup |
2014-10-15
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03 | Susan Hares | Tag Doc Shepherd Follow-up Underway set. |
2014-10-15
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03 | Susan Hares | IETF WG state changed to WG Consensus: Waiting for Write-Up from In WG Last Call |
2014-09-29
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03 | Wesley George | New version available: draft-ietf-idr-as-migration-03.txt |
2014-09-15
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02 | Jonathan Hardwick | Request for Early review by RTGDIR Completed: Has Issues. Reviewer: Thomas Morin. |
2014-08-29
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02 | Jonathan Hardwick | Requested Early review by RTGDIR |
2014-08-28
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02 | Susan Hares | Tag Other - see Comment Log cleared. |
2014-08-28
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02 | Susan Hares | IETF WG state changed to In WG Last Call from WG Document |
2014-07-29
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02 | Wesley George | New version available: draft-ietf-idr-as-migration-02.txt |
2014-06-13
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01 | Wesley George | New version available: draft-ietf-idr-as-migration-01.txt |
2014-03-06
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00 | Susan Hares | Document shepherd changed to Chris Morrow |
2014-03-06
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00 | Susan Hares | Changed consensus to Yes from Unknown |
2014-03-06
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00 | Susan Hares | Draft near WG LC. Early Reviews appreciated. |
2014-03-06
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00 | Susan Hares | Draft near WG LC. Early Reviews appreciated. |
2014-03-06
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00 | Susan Hares | Tag Other - see Comment Log set. |
2014-02-14
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00 | Wesley George | New version available: draft-ietf-idr-as-migration-00.txt |